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soon
from the moon and 2002-07-30 12:55 on 2003-05-19 16:42 [#00705921]
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I am sure there are a number of you out there who partake in the activity of filesharing. Weather it be Kazaa or Slsk or whatever else that you happen to find handy at the time.
I particularly find it useful when i wanna hear something i normally wouldn't have ever found or heard of before.
A couple of real quick examples are Yagya's Rythym of Snow and some single by an artist called "pub" that i am currently listening to. As i am listening to this i find that it is soothing and relaxing. But without filesharing i wouldn't have even heard of this particular artist. Nor would I have considered buying a release. This goes for a number of artists that i am more inclined to support now that i have heard the albums they made and how they flow together.
Rephlex is doing something right by offering small clips off of albums, but i like to just take an hour here or there and listen to the structure of an album and how it flows together.
Another beneficial aspect is you can hear releases that are rare (AB5 or MFM for example) or you can acquire live sets that might not be available anywhere else.
Although in the end i believe that it is harmful as some never intend to purchase said release i think that it can help at the same time.
What about you?
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2003-05-19 16:45 [#00705922]
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It's brilliant how you can decide wheter you want to buy it for months, maybe wait 'till you're bored of it then start chasing the next leaked copy of an album....
sorry, I'm just messin' about.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-19 16:46 [#00705924]
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im not downloading music - except for the live sets
i listen to sound clips before buying the album usually (sometimes review is enough)
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-05-19 16:47 [#00705925]
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The availability aspect definitely makes me buy more music.
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manticore
from London (ON) (Canada) on 2003-05-19 16:51 [#00705927]
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this may come off as a bit idealistic, but perhaps the one benefit of the proliferation and increased populatrity of file-sharing we have seen over the last several years is that while Top 40 artists who are selling by the boatloads regardless may lose a few million here or there due to piracy, filesharing, etc., but honestly, does the quality of their music really warrant a purchase? i for one would like to see the likes of britney, etc. fall flat on their asses and lose big in all this!
as far as underground artists, i think to a certain extent it can contribute to increasing awareness of their music, particularly if it's not widely available (released via small, obscure indie labels, etc.), and those who truly appreciate the music will actually purchase it.
i myself, like many of my peers (and many of you on this board) may initally download, say, the new ae simply to hear what it sounds like, knowing full well that i will buy it anyhow once it's in stores.
the one thing file sharing is excellent for is, quite like it was mentioned, rare tracks, unreleased material & live sets - that's what i primarily use it for myself.
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soon
from the moon and 2002-07-30 12:55 on 2003-05-19 16:51 [#00705928]
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I am glad you brought up the review aspect of this because i have often wondered how helpful reviews really are.
In the end a review is just someone elses opinion on a product based on first impressions and wheather or not that their original impression was affected by things such as a CD being overhyped which would result in a potential letdown affecting the review.
Do you compair reviews with other reviews and try to get an average? Or do you just trust what people say?
The review thing is confusing because you don't know weather or not if the reviewer shares your interest, taste or tolerence in music.
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diablo
on 2003-05-19 16:58 [#00705933]
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I think eventually it will completely change the way the record industry works. It will become the main music format. The question is are they ready for it? They gonna try to keep it down for a while but they're going to have to adapt.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-19 17:00 [#00705935]
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hmm, i like to see if the review contains comparison with some other artist - or its described based on another artist (hopefully someone i know hehe)
but i read so many reviews i get the right impression almost always...if its possible i like to read at least two reviews
but basically the easiest way to decide for me is when i read a review like : xy its a mixture of saw1 and confield, for example...its even better to get an impression about the album this way than with soundclips (especially 30 sec ones)
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-05-19 17:02 [#00705938]
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I am really not sure wheather or not they can keep it down. I don't think so. It is just so wide spread and common.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-05-19 17:20 [#00705944]
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it's true, when i grow bored of it i usually decide not to buy it, thinking it's "run its course." good albums i'll decide later it's worth buying, albums that didn't last, well, if i don't play them as mp3's why would i want to buy them? it's like if a friend lends you his copy of the album for a month and if it only lasts a couple weeks in your stereo why buy it?
usually i'll preorder stuff anyway so i don't run the risk of letting things die on my hard drive. preordered prefuse, mu-ziq, blur, etc. this month alone.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-05-19 18:01 [#00705964]
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Man, that's pretty idealistic and all, but you must wind up with some clunkers.
A strange phenomenon - I usually have a greater appreciation for something that I bought in hard copy - partly because having paid an exorbitant sum I feel obliged to give it many chances to click with me. Also because of the pure pleasure of kicking back with the liner notes and cover art.
The latest thing to distrupt my music consumption patterns has been EMusic - they have a sickening amount of good music from Matador, Beggars / 4AD, an apocalyptic size payload of old and modern jazz etc etc - I'm not sure how I feel about it yet. I mean sure it's great to have virtually unlimited access to such a feast, but I'm starting to wonder if I'm enjoying the music as much without the artificial scarcity imposed by having to buy the CDs.
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2003-05-19 18:14 [#00705977]
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I think it's a good thing I only really d/l rare and live stuff, but i might get a couple of snippets from an album before i buy it though.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-05-19 18:52 [#00705993]
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nah i just know my musical taste really well (much thanks to mp3's, but also to extensive use of the internet and recommendations from friends). i'd say i'm fully satisfied with about 19 out of 20 albums i buy, at the very least. plus i get cd's so cheap ($9-13) it wouldn't be a big loss if out of 4 cd's i preordered one was boring (not that that happens).
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-05-19 18:56 [#00705996]
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i agree though about the heightened expectations that come with buying a cd. i think it's a good thing in that it makes you really try to wrap your head around the music, but a bad thing in that sometimes--though not always--you end up sort of fooling yourself into loving something.
as for emusic and other legitimate (ie: legal) mp3 networks, i think it's good but it does devalue the artist's vision of The Album (which most of the time i'm all for)
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-05-19 19:14 [#00706000]
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Devaluing the album - it depends on the artist's vision, doesn't it?
The way I've been packing my hard drive with music since joining EMusic is probably a reaction to the artificial scarcity of CDs - an intinct to gorge. Mabe it's like the candy store policy of letting the employees eat all they want until they're sick of it - could be that's their business plan. :-)
But I will say this - since joining EMusic I've stopped buying CDs and I've stopped using fileshareing apps. The high quality Lame VBR files I can download legally are infinitely easier to access than some joker on Slsk, and cost me almost nothing.
This is what I was harping on about in a few other posts - that the win will be for a company to offer something for a modest fee that is actually better and more convenient than Kazaa/Slsk/etc.
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mimi
on 2003-05-19 21:44 [#00706221]
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until august, my income is mainly disposable so i buy a lot of music. but i usually don't try a new artist until i've heard atleast two tracks (which i usually mp3 or hear from a friend).
anyhow, if mp3s had come out when i was too young to get a job or be able to transport myself to a cd store, i would probably be even more for them. remember the days of taping your favorite songs off of the radio? well probably not, you guys were probably all too cool for the radio..
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-05-19 21:47 [#00706224]
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what? too cool for the radio? I still tape stuff off the radio! Mainly the static on this one AM channel!
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mimi
on 2003-05-19 21:51 [#00706228]
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well anyhow, i dont remember radio sucking as badly as it does now back in the day. i used to wait for duran duran to come on...now all that comes in is john mayer.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-05-19 21:53 [#00706231]
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It's all about 96.5 wklh. Yup ya can't go wrong with classics. Or that Jazz station. But any radio will begin to suck if you listen to it too much.
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mimi
on 2003-05-19 21:56 [#00706235]
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in madison it's just clear channel radio stations or independant jazz stations.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-05-19 21:58 [#00706236]
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nice to know that i have things to look forward to when i go to madison for school in the fall.
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mimi
on 2003-05-19 22:03 [#00706238]
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are you going to the university?
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-05-19 22:04 [#00706239]
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I plan on going to Madison Media Institute
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mimi
on 2003-05-19 22:07 [#00706242]
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dont, it is a waste of money.
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mimi
on 2003-05-19 22:08 [#00706243]
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actually i really know nothing about mmi, disregard my previous comment.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-05-19 22:09 [#00706245]
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i have to go because my ride is here but i would like your opinion on this subject. email me @ virginpusher@yahoo.com.
i would like to know why.
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