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offline soon from the moon and 2002-07-30 12:55 on 2003-05-19 16:42 [#00705921]
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I am sure there are a number of you out there who partake
in the activity of filesharing. Weather it be Kazaa or Slsk
or whatever else that you happen to find handy at the time.

I particularly find it useful when i wanna hear something i
normally wouldn't have ever found or heard of before.

A couple of real quick examples are Yagya's Rythym of Snow
and some single by an artist called "pub" that i am
currently listening to. As i am listening to this i find
that it is soothing and relaxing. But without filesharing i
wouldn't have even heard of this particular artist. Nor
would I have considered buying a release. This goes for a
number of artists that i am more inclined to support now
that i have heard the albums they made and how they flow
together.

Rephlex is doing something right by offering small clips off
of albums, but i like to just take an hour here or there and
listen to the structure of an album and how it flows
together.

Another beneficial aspect is you can hear releases that are
rare (AB5 or MFM for example) or you can acquire live sets
that might not be available anywhere else.

Although in the end i believe that it is harmful as some
never intend to purchase said release i think that it can
help at the same time.

What about you?


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2003-05-19 16:45 [#00705922]
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It's brilliant how you can decide wheter you want to buy it
for months, maybe wait 'till you're bored of it then start
chasing the next leaked copy of an album....

sorry, I'm just messin' about.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-05-19 16:46 [#00705924]
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im not downloading music - except for the live sets

i listen to sound clips before buying the album usually
(sometimes review is enough)


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-05-19 16:47 [#00705925]
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The availability aspect definitely makes me buy more music.


 

offline manticore from London (ON) (Canada) on 2003-05-19 16:51 [#00705927]
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this may come off as a bit idealistic, but perhaps the one
benefit of the proliferation and increased populatrity of
file-sharing we have seen over the last several years is
that while Top 40 artists who are selling by the boatloads
regardless may lose a few million here or there due to
piracy, filesharing, etc., but honestly, does the quality of
their music really warrant a purchase? i for one would like
to see the likes of britney, etc. fall flat on their asses
and lose big in all this!

as far as underground artists, i think to a certain extent
it can contribute to increasing awareness of their music,
particularly if it's not widely available (released via
small, obscure indie labels, etc.), and those who truly
appreciate the music will actually purchase it.

i myself, like many of my peers (and many of you on this
board) may initally download, say, the new ae simply to hear
what it sounds like, knowing full well that i will buy it
anyhow once it's in stores.

the one thing file sharing is excellent for is, quite like
it was mentioned, rare tracks, unreleased material & live
sets - that's what i primarily use it for myself.


 

offline soon from the moon and 2002-07-30 12:55 on 2003-05-19 16:51 [#00705928]
Points: 227 Status: Regular | Followup to tolstoyed: #00705924



I am glad you brought up the review aspect of this because i
have often wondered how helpful reviews really are.

In the end a review is just someone elses opinion on a
product based on first impressions and wheather or not that
their original impression was affected by things such as a
CD being overhyped which would result in a potential letdown
affecting the review.

Do you compair reviews with other reviews and try to get an
average? Or do you just trust what people say?

The review thing is confusing because you don't know weather
or not if the reviewer shares your interest, taste or
tolerence in music.


 

offline diablo on 2003-05-19 16:58 [#00705933]
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I think eventually it will completely change the way the
record industry works. It will become the main music format.
The question is are they ready for it? They gonna try to
keep it down for a while but they're going to have to adapt.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-05-19 17:00 [#00705935]
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hmm, i like to see if the review contains comparison with
some other artist - or its described based on another artist
(hopefully someone i know hehe)

but i read so many reviews i get the right impression almost
always...if its possible i like to read at least two
reviews

but basically the easiest way to decide for me is when i
read a review like : xy its a mixture of saw1 and confield,
for example...its even better to get an impression about the
album this way than with soundclips (especially 30 sec ones)


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2003-05-19 17:02 [#00705938]
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I am really not sure wheather or not they can keep it down.
I don't think so. It is just so wide spread and common.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-05-19 17:20 [#00705944]
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it's true, when i grow bored of it i usually decide not to
buy it, thinking it's "run its course." good albums i'll
decide later it's worth buying, albums that didn't last,
well, if i don't play them as mp3's why would i want to buy
them? it's like if a friend lends you his copy of the album
for a month and if it only lasts a couple weeks in your
stereo why buy it?

usually i'll preorder stuff anyway so i don't run the risk
of letting things die on my hard drive. preordered prefuse,
mu-ziq, blur, etc. this month alone.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-05-19 18:01 [#00705964]
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Man, that's pretty idealistic and all, but you must wind up
with some clunkers.

A strange phenomenon - I usually have a greater appreciation
for something that I bought in hard copy - partly because
having paid an exorbitant sum I feel obliged to give it many
chances to click with me. Also because of the pure pleasure
of kicking back with the liner notes and cover art.

The latest thing to distrupt my music consumption patterns
has been EMusic - they have a sickening amount of good music
from Matador, Beggars / 4AD, an apocalyptic size payload of
old and modern jazz etc etc - I'm not sure how I feel about
it yet. I mean sure it's great to have virtually unlimited
access to such a feast, but I'm starting to wonder if I'm
enjoying the music as much without the artificial scarcity
imposed by having to buy the CDs.


 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2003-05-19 18:14 [#00705977]
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I think it's a good thing I only really d/l rare and live
stuff, but i might get a couple of snippets from an album
before i buy it though.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-05-19 18:52 [#00705993]
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nah i just know my musical taste really well (much thanks to
mp3's, but also to extensive use of the internet and
recommendations from friends). i'd say i'm fully satisfied
with about 19 out of 20 albums i buy, at the very least.
plus i get cd's so cheap ($9-13) it wouldn't be a big loss
if out of 4 cd's i preordered one was boring (not that that
happens).


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-05-19 18:56 [#00705996]
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i agree though about the heightened expectations that come
with buying a cd. i think it's a good thing in that it makes
you really try to wrap your head around the music, but a bad
thing in that sometimes--though not always--you end up sort
of fooling yourself into loving something.

as for emusic and other legitimate (ie: legal) mp3 networks,
i think it's good but it does devalue the artist's vision of
The Album (which most of the time i'm all for)


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-05-19 19:14 [#00706000]
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Devaluing the album - it depends on the artist's vision,
doesn't it?

The way I've been packing my hard drive with music since
joining EMusic is probably a reaction to the artificial
scarcity of CDs - an intinct to gorge. Mabe it's like the
candy store policy of letting the employees eat all they
want until they're sick of it - could be that's their
business plan. :-)

But I will say this - since joining EMusic I've stopped
buying CDs and I've stopped using fileshareing apps. The
high quality Lame VBR files I can download legally are
infinitely easier to access than some joker on Slsk, and
cost me almost nothing.

This is what I was harping on about in a few other posts -
that the win will be for a company to offer something for a
modest fee that is actually better and more convenient than
Kazaa/Slsk/etc.


 

offline mimi on 2003-05-19 21:44 [#00706221]
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until august, my income is mainly disposable so i buy a lot
of music. but i usually don't try a new artist until i've
heard atleast two tracks (which i usually mp3 or hear from a
friend).

anyhow, if mp3s had come out when i was too young to get a
job or be able to transport myself to a cd store, i would
probably be even more for them. remember the days of taping
your favorite songs off of the radio? well probably not,
you guys were probably all too cool for the radio..


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2003-05-19 21:47 [#00706224]
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what? too cool for the radio? I still tape stuff off the
radio! Mainly the static on this one AM channel!


 

offline mimi on 2003-05-19 21:51 [#00706228]
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well anyhow, i dont remember radio sucking as badly as it
does now back in the day. i used to wait for duran duran to
come on...now all that comes in is john mayer.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2003-05-19 21:53 [#00706231]
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It's all about 96.5 wklh. Yup ya can't go wrong with
classics. Or that Jazz station. But any radio will begin to
suck if you listen to it too much.


 

offline mimi on 2003-05-19 21:56 [#00706235]
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in madison it's just clear channel radio stations or
independant jazz stations.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2003-05-19 21:58 [#00706236]
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nice to know that i have things to look forward to when i go
to madison for school in the fall.


 

offline mimi on 2003-05-19 22:03 [#00706238]
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are you going to the university?


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2003-05-19 22:04 [#00706239]
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I plan on going to Madison Media Institute


 

offline mimi on 2003-05-19 22:07 [#00706242]
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dont, it is a waste of money.


 

offline mimi on 2003-05-19 22:08 [#00706243]
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actually i really know nothing about mmi, disregard my
previous comment.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2003-05-19 22:09 [#00706245]
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i have to go because my ride is here but i would like your
opinion on this subject. email me @ virginpusher@yahoo.com.

i would like to know why.


 


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