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Doesn't it piss you off the way the media luvies on TV talk about phenomenons such as Acid like that was the last revolution. The dumb arses completely ignore, ambient, jungle, drum & bass, and drill or Squarepusher inspired breakbeatery and breakcore. I mean think what a massive influence Squarepusher's music has had throughout the world right underneath their idiot noises. And they say crap such as they're waiting for a new revolution - its happening and evolving all the time. They need to get with it, thats their bloody job. Any views to add? |
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All I watch on tv is who wants to be a millionaire so it doesn't piss me off too much :P TV is pure bullshiz... |
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all i know the synths in madonnas new single are awfull |
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They had some TV program on the other day reminising about pop music during the eighties and the future of music etc. It was pretty tright but it grated for the reasons above. |
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to be honest i dont want the media to pick up on breakcore and such, could you imagine?! MINISTRY OF SOUND: BREAKCORE ANTHEMS 2004!!! or CREAM:DRILL 'n' BASS CLASSICS!!! fuck that |
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Why watch tv when theres videeYO!games to be played ya know what I'm sayin y'aaaalllllllll?! |
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yeah fuck the media yo, what good have they done anyone in the past 10 years LOOK OUT FOR SARS!!! thats about it |
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Spacecadet, I think thats a selfish point of view. Maybe you have a point. We all like to be exclusive to something and I've always felt this was my music too. But its always been the best, most extreme, most exciting music and its practioners put a lot of effort into what they do and don't get enough (mass) recognition. Why shouldn't Squarepusher or Aphex get awards, fuck they shit all over everything else lets face it? They are some of (if not) the greatest musicians ever. And who competes with them these days; no one, no one does they're in a league of their own and they give recognition to all this bullshit music which doesn't even begin to touch a cent of their achievements? |
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whoo!! nice avatar! even tho it has been done before..ceephax is such great music |
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it's funny we were talking about this last night, it does sound selfish, but at the end of the day they get recognition of people who matter (i know stochausen and eno both like aphex, along with composters like phillip glass) and also the fans. awards are pretentious and i'd hate to see 'idm' or whatever you wanna call it end up becoming a fad for trendy people to say 'well, i like aphex so i'm cool' without them really actually finding the music themself and actually really loving it |
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so would you say tom jenkinson is the main influential force behind most of electronica then? the most trail-blazing? or were he and richard james doing theirs at the same time .. blurring the lines of who influenced what and how much |
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Yeah I agree. I must say my first listening of Ceephax stuff didn't blow me away. But with the recent hype and hearing some new stuff I'm very impressed. |
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I would think that having a huge fan following would be so much more rewarding with virtually no air play. And i take pride in the fact that i have to actually look for the music i like. Maybe it's just something i grew up with, but I'd much rather seek out new and exciting music on my own or with friends recommendations than through the radio or any other media/um. I like knowing about stuff that other people don't so i can see the look on their face when i play it for them. |
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I thought jungle WAS drum and bass, or drill and bass... hmmm, see I have no idea what all these different types of music are technically... I can tell a drill song and all, but other then that I can't classify most electronic music into sub genres... I just like certain music... |
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well anyway, at the end of the day stuff like snares, ae, boc, afx etc its never gonna get the mass recognition it deserves thats a sad fact but it's a bit too 'out there' for your average smash hits reader |
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roygbivcore, We all either think like this or use to think like this. Yes I doubt that Richard is bothered, I would imagine he's happy with the existing adoration he gets. That said it just annoys me when they give recognition to these way less significant artists; it really is a gross misrepresentation of reality - wouldn't you say? |
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promo i think you've hit the nail on the head there there are people who invent a sound, then people who 'dumb it down' for the mass market get the recognition |
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Spacecadet, I wouldn't say (our music) was too out there. They're create tunes, harmony and soul - hell what more does one want from music? Daytime airplay gets anything into the charts - Aphex doesn't get daytime airplay. But Aphex, Squarepush etc etc all have strong fan bases much much stronger than any teeny bob band. |
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yeah i know what you mean, but hey, i dont know what goes on at radio stations or fat cat record companies, it's all fucked the record industry, you scratch my back etc etc etc |
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and your answer to my question would be... |
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i'd say most influence in electronica comes from eno and kraftwerk, or aphex maybe, hell i recon there will be alot of people doing breakcore stuff after listening to snares, the guy has just raised the bar as far as beats go i recon |
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definately, i agree about the mass recognition for basically lucky artists. it's not like it used to be, you know. like how a+r people would go and look for new artists. now they just make them. |
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Spacecadet, Well lets not critisize big records labels (Fat Cat's as you call them) for wanting to make money, they're not charities afterall. The executives and people in them have to be motivated to do what they do and that means making money for themselves and for shareholders - that is enconomic reality. For all the bull that you might hear from Aphex and Squarepusher about making music for just friends or fans or whatever, they're saying that from a position of previous success and money in the bank. I know they do what they do as a passion, but you can bet you bottom dollar they love (and need) to get paid for it too. Getting paid for it means they have all the time to concentrate on the music they love to do. |
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no but I'm referring to the mid-to-late-90's electronica wave.. where there seemed to be an explosion in its fan base, recognition, acclaim, and there were massive leaps and bounds in technological and artistic conduits for the artists of the genre |
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there was an article in the paper today (daily mail) which said that sales of rock music had just overtaken pop in the uk. it seems people are fed up with 6 year old girls running the chart system. the only reason why the media doesnt talk about drill n bass/etc is because it is still a fringe subject. until it enters the charts, most people will be unaware of it. there are entry points to it, such as from acid if people go looking, perhaps on a site like this one, but look at it this way, lots of music in the charts has taken ideas from acid, cos its old hat now, so drill n bass wont get attention until pop music starts to borrow. in the uk, pop songs have only just started to get a little dnb vibe to them now! (not that they're any good!) |
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theo, i honestly dont know then, theres so much music that people are influenced by so much, especially with the internet, people are exposed to alot more music, so i honestly couldnt say |
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roygbivcore, "lucky artists" that sounds like resentment. Please don't fall into the age old trap of thinking luck comes into it. Start believing luck governs life and you might aswell give up on life straight away. Luck is for fantasists. Trust me it boils down to a lot of hardwork and effort plus good timing (call that awareness of the moment, not luck) to get recognised and acknowledged whether you be Aphex or some teeny bob bullshit. |
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anyone remember when madonna asked aphex twin to do an album with her |
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" hey guys, i got some fashionably sensible cute guys together, lets make them an album. but first, lattés!" |
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Yeah I remember. What happened? |
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no way! you've gotta be joking. |
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well aphex asked for her to make grunting pig+cow noises she pulled the plug |
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Aphex should have said yeah I'll do a record with you but its 50/50 straight down the line on the cash front. |
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I want more, explain more. |
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i bet he either told her where to stick it, or did some unlistenable stuff she'd never dare use one-nil to captain richard |
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Sweet. So she turned out to be a control freak, she should have relied on his better judgement. Shame for all. |
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Spacecadet, Hardly a victory for anyone if both lost out on making what could have been a wicked record both commercially and artistically. She's only ended up working with second rate producers anyway. That last track she did the bond theme was aweful. |
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If Madonna comes to you wanting to make a record, you can bet your arse she'd say there is a set producers fee in it for the person, such as £250,000 or something. Could be a good thing, could be a bad thing depends on the perspective of the artist. I don't think it adds to the recognition of the artist who works with her. I mean whats happened to the artists subsequently who've worked with her - jack shit? Something like Aphex and Madonna working together sounds great but a lot would have had to have been trashed out, such as the financial arrangements etc etc. Also if she came to Aphex he should have demanded that the record be released by Aphex Twin and Madonna. Perhaps these are some of the reasons it didn't happen. |
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Anyone remember that track she did with Orbital or was that a remix? |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/friday_review/story/0,3605,563163 ,00.html |
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i was just joking promo, it would have been good |
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btw mirwais is hardly a second rate producer |
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Whereas most white musicians these days are born of the blues and the Beatles, Aphex Twin's lineage is Stockhausen, John Cage, Kraftwerk, Brian Eno and the Detroit techno of Derrick May. James takes in his stride the fact that he is now considered as important as these all-time electronic greats. Even having Madonna on the blower didn't faze him. She rang him one day out of the blue at home because she wanted some of his strange magic to rub off on her: cool by proxy. Aphex had other ideas for the mooted collaboration. "I wanted her to do these animal impressions," he says. "I had a whole list of them." But he changed his mind about working with her: "I'm not interested in doing it just to make millions, like a lot of other people. If I did it, that's all interviewers would have talked about for the rest of my career." He found Madonna's interest in him almost vampiric. "Her whole career's been like, 'Oh, they're the trendy person of the moment, I'll work with them to make me younger.' They're using you." |
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I think Aphex should have worked with her but it would have had to have been a straight up 50/50 right down the line project. And I doubt whether she would have accepted that and also it would have to be Aphex Twin & Madonna and not Madonna & Aphex Twin. |
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