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okay. i've got issues with this heaping pile of...gay (fruityloops). now...see. let's say i have a loop-dealy...that when implemented...just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on until the end of the freaking track. i want to put an END to that little droney-dealie...and...well. yes. have something i can be semi-proud of. mm? anyone? |
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<--- i'll give ya a smoochie. |
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i told you before, man... switch to taureg2 |
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no idea man, sooorry |
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yarr. perhaps i will. after this, of course. |
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sorry i cant be of more assistance |
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I feel you on FL, but then od busts out a hot tune on it, and I'm left thinking.......wtf did I miss about how to use this program at ALL? |
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God, this is such a well documented "bug" and has nothing to do with floops and everything to do with it making music making accessible to people who know little about synths (no offence to you, it's jsut it gets my back up when people slag floops off for something that isn't floops' fault) The problem is caused by not turning an envelope on on one of your synths. Check any TS-404s/simsynths first, they're the main offenders. Check each channel and turn the volume envelope on. |
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btw, it's "tuareg 2" in case anyone searches for it. |
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i see |
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danke, blatant... my spelling has been off lately. pickin up my slack... nice! |
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and a link that I found |
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np m8 =) |
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Oh an there's nothing wrong with floops- to me that's a bit like saying "acrylic paints crap for painting". It all depends on the person using it. Personally I see Reason as more of a toy (Yes, I use both) in many respects- lack of VST implementation makes it quite limited in some ways. And no, you can't do everything with Subtractor and Maelstrom that you can with absynth so there! The problem with floops is: a) It's easy, lots of people make music with it. A lot of the music is poor as it tends to be "beginners" doing it. It might be their lack of experience, musical theory, talent etc. not the program's fault. b) The provided samples are gash compared to Reason's. Okay, they're getting better, but Reason is miles ahead in this department... Answer? make your own samples outside Floops/or import some good ones! |
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i use fl for most of my tracks. i'll put in my own sounds, or sometimes completely alter some of the samples that come with the program and make something different and more interesting. |
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i'll give 'er a go. |
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i know this is gonna really piss ceri off, but what the hay!?!? i typically dont like tracks made with fruity loops, because you can tell they were made with it. now before you cut my nugs off, lemme reiterate: not ALL, but quite alot. i have heard tons of stuff coming from peeps on here that sounds straight outta fruity loops... and that is not good. my reason for liking tuareg so much and using tuareg is that it allows me to be flexible with stuff. maybe its a skill issue, but i find myself saying "ugh, another fruity loops artist" alot. ceri, your stuff doesnt sound like that, so like i said, maybe you have the skill to use it tastefully. i dunno, its all just my opinion. |
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or don't use samples at all! |
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well. it didn't seem to work. but...ah well. i'll work around it or something... ...somehow. |
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Yes, I've done tracks where there is no way at all of telling it was floops (nothing but VST softsynths making the sounds with my own presets). Tibbar: I agree, a lot of floops stuff, does sound like "floops stuff"... No one has (yet) successfully passed my challenge (which I lay down everytime the "Floops is a Toy" debate comes up...): Tell me which of my tracks are in floops and which aren't. At least one isn't... Personally, I spot a lot of reason tunes :) Hopefully the new features of FL Studio 4 will help lay this argument to rest over time :) Is Tuareg2 really good? I might check it out, I'm always into new software... |
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ceri: check it out... all the stuff of mine on the xlt comps and my 2 ae remixes were made with it and a simple wav editor. |
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Ah cool, what about your film study pieces? |
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yup... did em with tuareg2. of course, i created my own sounds; which is always my first step before i even plot stuff out. |
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if fruity loops was called "kymalogibase 5.0.1.0 platigoldimenium2000" and it looked "fancy", people would be all over it. who cares about using presets? should i stop listening to luke vibert now? god forbid i have fun listening to music. theres a difference between using presets and using them in a unique way. and mistake me if im wrong, but maphive 6.1 has timpani drums and e pianos. point is, the fruity loops argument should never, ever, come up again. i dont blast cubase users or logic users. because they obviously found a program thats more comfortable with them. fruity loops is more comfortable to me. if some guy downloads fruity loops and makes a track claiming himself to be the god of trance....dont blame fruity loops. blame the guy, if you want. either way i dont care. we all start somewhere. |
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That's very true- fruity loops' name and interface do it no favours in getting it taken seriously... it is actually a very advanced bit of kit when you start adding external synths and effects into it. |
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true, i find that most people who knock fruity havent a clue about how to use it in any in-depth way. "10 minutes trying a demo-what i created sounded shit- therefore fruity is no good." |
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Careful... don't let Od, the best artist at Xltronic, let you hear that. He's very passionate about making good tracks and I think he just uses fruityloops. Maybe it's the controller, not the software? |
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*best artist at Xltronic in many people's eyes, i meant.* |
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dued what? I'm just messing around, man. I could think of about a dozen artists here that kick my ass but I'm not gonna get into this. I'm not really too passionate about making music either hehe it's just something I do when I'm kind of not doing anything else. But yeah I can get a bit pissed at people bagging the software, coz I mean I'm not the smartest kid around and I don't have troubles gettign the sounds I want with it...and people don't seem to mind my stuff most of the time, so I think basically people should actually learn the software before they get pissed off at it. If programs built the songs for you, then there's no challenge or sense of accomplishment. |
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Yes, a lot of people who criticise floops seem to be people who are predominantley Cubase or Reason users who just give it a cursory glance to re-affirm what the believe. Beneath floops' seemingly simple interface it's bristling with options and subtleties. Spending hours playing with the event programming getting it exactly as I want may be a little masochistic, but it makes me enjoy the result all the more. I imagine people who use trackers get the same sense of control too. |
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I imagine people who use trackers get the same sense of control too. yep. thats exactly why i use buzz and other trackers.. almost no graphics, all envelopes/parameter automations/etc are done by typing in commands.. i like it that way because you get the precision |
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Yes, I think the problem with Reason etc. is that it sounds great without that level of effort put into a track. Now, if you apply that degree of care to a Reason track... |
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thats nice, but then look at cubase. you have all that on the top and THEN more beneath... |
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I agree about the poor samples you first get with FL. Best thing to do it fuck them all up with DrumSynth. Like I do. Ho yes. |
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Yes, I've got a few custom drumkits made entierly of my own drumsynth sounds. With a bit of work you can make some really good, CPU/mem efficient samples. |
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Jeskola Buzz is infinitely less gay than Floops |
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Yeah CPU is my biggest enemy on FruityLoops, can you imagnie the horror my 350-bar, 150 pattern, drum'n'bass mix?..good thing you can disable FX temporarily. I often have unbearably high CPU as soon as I use about 10 or more FX, does this have anything to do with my shitty processor? |
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He he, you're right, floops can be a bit of a CPU hog... it's all those VST fx mainly. For my ae mix I had to render channels with their effects then put them back in as .wavs to allow the CPu to handle it and it's not like mine was a hugely complex track. My processor is ageing and struggles with "busy" floops tracks (the real reason I've gone back ambient? ;) ), there are ways around it, but it does mean a lot of unnecessary work. |
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LOL :D that made me laugh |
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i just got fl studio 4 .. it looks interesting, but i'll probably still use buzz mainly.. cpu use isnt much of a problem for me at the moment, with my athlon xp2000+ .. hehe.. but yeah, a couple of months ago making tracks was hell on my p2-266.. now i can put tons of effects in and use all synths, as opposed to samples.. |
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I use a 333mhz at the weekends, I often write basic bits on that, mail them to myself then put proper synths and fx in on my PC. |
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its allways people who dont know how to use fruity that complain about it. learn to use envelopes, and automation! |
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*shrugs* well, yeesh. excuse ME for being captain completely-fucking-ignorant. i admit to not knowing anything resembling shit about fruityloops...i'm just messin' around...havin' fun. but eh. i'm learning. work with me, people. [/gigantic spiel of...pretending like i'm pissed off...or something. because i'm really not. and i didn't mean anything i said. honest] |
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