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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-11 11:20 [#00644995]
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ScreamUnheard said
"I try counting the time and figure out what beats they on, but they aren't really sixteen notes, nor are they triplets..... Has anyone figured out what they are?"
i assumed the time signatures of confield and most of draft 7.30 weren't of integers. what do you all think?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-04-11 11:23 [#00645005]
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How about assuming they pay no attention to time signatures :D
Electronic music has surpassed all that old music stuff. lol
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-11 11:29 [#00645012]
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just because you don't make music with a time signature in mind doesn't mean the music has no time signature. but i agree, i can't imagine ae writing the music the ol' *whatever you call those lines*
also, maybe it's not that the time signatures are not of integers, maybe the time signatures are in a constant flux. eh?
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-11 11:30 [#00645013]
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"writing their music on the ol' *whatever you call those lines*"
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2003-04-11 11:31 [#00645014]
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I think they use some shuffle which makes it harder to guess the timesignatures
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-04-11 11:36 [#00645020]
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I'd say most of the time they follow the standard, 4/4 time signature, though many times (like in sim gishel, vproc and most notably in iv scose poise) they speeed up and slow down the bpm throwing everything off completely, momentarily. other times they simply delay snare hits and pull little time-stretch tricks on it.. I do agree with ecnadniarb in that they do throw away/ignore a lot of the rules most people follow in musical composition. I think they're doing a great thing by balancing both conventional structural adherence and free-flowing capricious liquidity.. after all it is about the sounds (in theirs and many others' case, soundscapes) produced and not the method or the technical math behind it that ultimately matters
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bob
from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-11 11:50 [#00645028]
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going to go and listen to this album again........ :)
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-11 12:02 [#00645039]
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of course the time signatures aren't imporant for appreciating the music. i just find it interesting is all.
personally, i doubt they have a straight time signature with the ocassional speed up or slow down. i'm pretty sure that the flux is continuous. from reading interviews i gather they are capable of doing this digitally.
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-04-11 14:28 [#00645252]
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i'm sure i can count 4/4 on most of ae's tracks, but with digital composing you can just syncopate it or put spaces between sounds to make it totaly sound like another tempo/time signature so you never know...
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mc_303_beatz
from Glasgow, Scotland on 2003-04-11 14:33 [#00645255]
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In the song x2zrr38-099 on the Litz EP by early Autechre The timing is 7/8 then goes to 5/4 followed by two bars of 2/3 and a passage of 6/4. Dizzying
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Phresch
from fucking Trondheim (Norway) on 2003-04-11 14:34 [#00645259]
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damn geeks
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-11 15:35 [#00645339]
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they used a gong on confield.
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-11 17:14 [#00645495]
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Yes, most Ae is in fact in 4/4. Especially Draft, off-beat as it is...it's all in 4/4.
Not sure about Confield....
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2003-04-11 18:48 [#00645580]
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Im not really sure of this, but I dont think time signs, really give the speed...I think they just show which note gets what beat...I think the words like "presto" and "largo" give the speed
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-04-11 19:28 [#00645596]
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Tri Repetae is all 4/4
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2003-04-11 19:35 [#00645598]
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hmm the first two songs on lp5 are various different time sigantures layered on top of each other:polyrythms... track 2 has 5/4 4/4 3/4 and 7/8 at least... a really head fuck
cichli is 5/4 track 4 from chiastic slide
cfern is 6/4 and like some tracks like bine have no time signature....
but the majority are 4/4
caring about music doesn't make you dork does it? not if your a musican or one who studies music..
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boket
from Australia on 2003-04-11 23:32 [#00645757]
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'hub' from chiastic slide is really interesting in terms of time signatures. sounds like about 3 competing time scales.
though i've never tried to figure out exactly what's going on, in case it all turns out to be something simple after all. heh.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-11 23:34 [#00645759]
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i hear alot of 4/4 stuff going on with other time sigs on top of it. some of it is waltz time in a 4/4 frame. anything goes, i guess.
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Zombiekev
from Ardmore (United States) on 2003-04-11 23:45 [#00645768]
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autechre flows to some funky beats.
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Archrival
on 2003-04-12 04:32 [#00646098]
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I always rap to AE tracks, Draft 7.30 would be a dam fine album with some MC-ing on top! :)
I flip to every track on Draft even Tapr has a steady beat n time signature.
Nice AE.
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Bremzen
from utrecht (Netherlands, The) on 2003-04-12 05:18 [#00646170]
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what is a 2/3 time signature?
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-12 09:12 [#00646360]
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they really did use a gong,but there u go
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2003-04-12 15:26 [#00647078]
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"lateralus" is in a time signature of 9/8/7
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2003-04-12 18:47 [#00647329]
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2/3? never heard of it myself...perhaps every dotted quarter note gets the beat?
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-04-23 15:32 [#00665269]
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oh my, you know Autechre really aren't such gods as some people make them out to be... they make excellent music, but they follow the same rules as everyone else, and most of their music is in 4/4... for instance, I played Pen Expers on my big stereo downstairs the other day REALLY loud, and sure it sounds offbeat and glitchy, but I was nodding my head to the beat, and it was straight 4/4... I think most times Autechre's music is misleading... however, they have experimented with some not so common time signatures like 5/4, and I believe 777 is in 7/4 time...
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-04-23 15:33 [#00665271]
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that doesn't exist... I agree lateralus seems pretty weird... it's probably just a couple time signatures switching back and forth, rather then only one for the whole song...
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DaWeeze
from WANTED IN 16 STATES! on 2003-04-23 15:41 [#00665278]
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Characi off of Cichlisuite EP is 13/8...
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xian_ecci
from los angeles on 2003-04-23 15:41 [#00665279]
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'i can't imagine ae writing the music the ol' *whatever you call those lines*"
i'd love for someone proficient at writing it to try, though... d'be nice to look at.
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-04-23 15:48 [#00665298]
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theres lots of clicks and beeps and sounds between beats so people think its often not in 4/4 but it is a lot of the time like all of you have said. Im not too good at counting but I can do 4/4 and 3/4 and 6/8 but other than that I cant count too well--musically that is.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-23 15:53 [#00665309]
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of course the time signatures are in [whole] integers!
p.s. guys only some autechre tracks are in 4/4, and even those usually incorporate autechre's most identifiable trait: layering of different time signatures. y'all noticed that before, right?
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DaWeeze
from WANTED IN 16 STATES! on 2003-04-23 16:13 [#00665348]
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layering of different time signatures. y'all noticed that before, right?
Of course. LP5 and Confield is LOADED with them.
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Dael
from the low end (Australia) on 2003-04-23 17:08 [#00665430]
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confield has some really interesting time signature construction, whenever I put the album on it really keeps me on my toes..
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-23 19:51 [#00665608]
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i know for a fact that on some tracks from confield and draft that the beats are shifting. if you tap your feet in a straight linear rhythm you will soon be off beat before long. not 4/4.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-23 19:55 [#00665610]
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even the beatles didnt always stick to one time signature throughout songs.
:D
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-23 19:58 [#00665616]
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it is one thing to shift from one time signature to another, but that is not the case i refer to. i'm talking about a continous shift, rather than steps. curves. maybe it's just my fantasy, but that's what i hear.
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ScreamUnheard
from Redmond, WA (United States) on 2003-04-23 20:50 [#00665689]
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Hahaha, it's funny that I kind of started this thread, and it isn't really about what I count 4/4 on most tracks, but on some tracks, either they are using some twisted rhythms or I can't really subdivide to figure out what notes they are using... (sixteenth notes, sixteenth note triples, maybe 10th notes? I don't know) I could be wrong, but some of their rhythms seem, so off beat, and I was thinking it might be because they are using some strange notes.... Or I suck at music! A distinct possibility!
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rF
from __e____e_________e______q_____ (Australia) on 2003-04-23 22:51 [#00665824]
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"hmm the first two songs on lp5 are various different time sigantures layered on top of each other:polyrythms... track
2 has 5/4 4/4 3/4 and 7/8 at least... "
acroyear2 is in straight 4/4 (to me at least) 777 is in 7/8 or 7/4, depending on when you divide the bars..
the only tracks on confield that dont appear to be in 4/4 are vi scose poise, cfern and bine.. i can tap a constant beat to all the other songs.. except when lentic catachresis goes all fast near the end..
and draft is almost all made of 4/4 beats.. just some of them twist sometimes.. like in iv vv iv vv viii how it timestretches and in xylin room where the beat pauses every now and then.. not sure about tapr yet.. i'm sure it has a time signature of some sort.. just havent listened closely enough yet..
and it took me such a long time to figure out that cichli is in 5/4.. it just seems to flow so naturally..
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-04-23 23:30 [#00665844]
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OK, I can't even pin a beat on fold 4 wrap 5, but it still sounds musical in all respects. It seems like maybe the time signiture slows down or changed halfway through each measure, but then its comes back in at what it was before. It's crazy. They are genii
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-04-24 09:15 [#00666609]
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well, I don't know but fold 4 wrap 5 is in 4/4 time as well!
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ScreamUnheard
from Redmond, WA (United States) on 2003-04-24 13:50 [#00666966]
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One thing is in "IV VV IV VV VIII" there seems like 2 different rhythms where there are 2 snares right close to each other... One could be sixteenth notes, but I'm not sure what the other one is. I haven't really looked into it, but it's darn cool.
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