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offline Junktion from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-04-11 07:52 [#00644712]
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Do you think PNG support for the avatars is a good idea?

read about PNG here

Yay! or Nay!


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-04-11 07:57 [#00644716]
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yay


 

offline Junktion from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-04-11 08:04 [#00644722]
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hmmm...really thought people would be interested in this


 

offline Morton from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-04-11 08:07 [#00644726]
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Yay!
why not


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2003-04-11 08:11 [#00644730]
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yay!

alto i think png is a bit sucky... but what the hell most
browsers support it


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-11 08:11 [#00644731]
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Nay- not all browsers support it :/


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-04-11 08:13 [#00644734]
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XBM support! Just kidding.

PNG support is pretty ubiquitous these days, and a lot of
programs are starting to support MNG too (animation). So
yay!


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-11 08:15 [#00644737]
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I'd not heard of MNG... that'd be interesting to see. Got
any links to MNG animations?


 

offline Junktion from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-04-11 08:17 [#00644740]
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can you tell me which browsers that doesnt support PBG? ;)


 

offline Junktion from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-04-11 08:17 [#00644743]
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PNG ....sorry


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-04-11 08:18 [#00644744]
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Here. Recent versions of Mozilla can view MNGs,
I'm not sure about other browsers.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-11 08:21 [#00644749]
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Dunno what "PBG" is mate, ;)
IE (prior to version) 4.5 for the Mac, Webster, Some
internet enabled phones and Dreamcast dreamkey 1.1 (and
1.0)don't support PNG so far as I know...

There are others, but I can't think of them right now. Some
don't support it at all, others don't allow transparencies.



 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-11 08:22 [#00644752]
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LOL, IE 6 for PC doesn't support MNGs :)


 

offline Junktion from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-04-11 08:24 [#00644754]
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well it is kinda up to the view, i mean, if you can't see it
you ask you self why. Then you download the required plugin,
and your on the go ;)


 

offline Junktion from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-04-11 08:24 [#00644755]
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yeah...i know...i just found out too....that really
sucks...i'm looking for some info on microsoft.com about it
right now


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-11 08:26 [#00644756]
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Just out of interest, why would PNG be better? Without MNG
support all it really allows is slightly smaller file sizes,
which, for single frame jpg/single frame gifs (on this site
at least) aren't limited in size so as to be a problem. That
said, I imagine the slight file size decrease would increase
page refresh speed for 56K users on threads with many
different users, so perhaps you're right... png may be
useful.

Ha ha I just talked myself around to PNG in one post.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-11 08:27 [#00644757]
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We don't want people to have to go DLing plugins to read the
mb... you may as well start supporting flash etc. if you do
that :|


 

offline Junktion from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-04-11 08:28 [#00644759]
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shhhhh! Ceri...have you ever had that mental itch that
something should be ifferent....this is one of these mental
itches for me :P I just want PNG instead of sloppy JPG
...some people here have to go low-quality on they're JPG's
to get it on here, and with PNG, it wouldnt look so blurred


 

offline Junktion from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-04-11 08:29 [#00644760]
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flash! great idea :D

:P


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-04-11 08:30 [#00644762]
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You could have some really cool avatars with PNG's alpha
channel transparency support.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-11 08:31 [#00644765]
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Don't kid us, we know you'll stick to your 2 colour line
drawing whatever happens! ;)

Seriously, do you have some pngs that illustrate this? I'm
into graphics and this interests me.


 

offline Junktion from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-04-11 08:34 [#00644772]
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LOL!!!! I just found out that IE for PC doesnt support Alpha
PNG, but IE for MAC does!!! *rofl* that's so fucking ironic


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-04-11 08:34 [#00644773]
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Heh, I keep my other avatars in reserve. :-)

Here are some alpha channel images. There are a
few more links at the bottom of the page. Alpha channel PNG
isn't as well supported as regular PNG, hopefully IE6 is up
to snuff.


 

offline martinhm from York (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-11 08:38 [#00644779]
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There was an article at a list apart about using png in
different browsers.

Here's an example with a floaty transparent png in
a div, for webnerds only.

Yay, PNG all the way.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-11 09:02 [#00644797]
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Well... after all, macs are aimed at hippy graphics
fiends, of course it'd support them ;)

Inv. whale:

Ah, quite nice- easier than nabbing the html value of the
cream/yellow background and filling in the gaps with that
fro pictures you want a standard background on.


 

offline uzim on 2003-04-11 10:14 [#00644903]
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something is weird about IE for mac and .png's...

on os9 version, it supports them totally
on osX version, you can view them when it's included on a
page, but cannot see them "individually" ('open the picture
in a new window')!

wtf ' _ -


 

offline Joyrex from watmm.com (United States) on 2003-04-11 12:38 [#00645077]
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You can have PNG support on IE5/6 on the PC via the use of
stylesheets and a function call to a Microsoft filter - it's
a pretty poor workaround, and it drains server resources
(this is for server-side PNG support, and your users don't
have to have anything.

I've switched to Mozilla 1.3 (that supports PNG perfectly),
and supposedly IE7 (which isn't in Beta yet) will support
PNG.

PNG is great because it finally eliminates the need for
slicing up graphics to create complex interfaces for
websites - now, with varying levels of transparency, you can
overlap objects and they can shift/move with no need of
aliasing against the background colour/imagery.

One way to get around that with GIF is to create
pseudo-shadows... take a look at the
http://aphextwin.watmm.com main page and look at the
tan-coloured sidebar on the left - on the right edge you'll
notice a semi-transparent shadow that was achived by making
a selection in PhotoShop and filling with a black and fully
transparent checkerboard pattern (2x2 pixels). On low res
screens (800x600) it's noticable, but at higher res
(1024x768 +) it looks transparent because the pixels are too
small to see clearly. This was an old effect in early video
games to achive shadows, an d the game designer would turn
these checkerboard shadows on and off rapidly to create a
semi-transparent shadow effect.


 


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