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Will Confield ever sound dated?
 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2003-04-02 05:20 [#00628807]
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When music sounds dated to me, its not because of the
sounds or techniques, but because the general style is not
practiced anymore. Like with RDJ's Polygon Window and other
early releases, they sound dated to me because the style of
music is just not practiced any more...

So I'm thinking.. where does that leave Confield? This cd
has no style, it simply exists. It feels like it's making
itself... It came out of nowhere and there's never been
anything truly like it before or after the release (Draft is
NOT another confield IMO, though it is great)...
I bet someone could listen to Confield in 100 years and
never guess that it was made waaay back in 2001


 

offline Cheffe1979 from fuck (Austria) on 2003-04-02 05:24 [#00628813]
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the same is true for some kraftwerk tracks


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-04-02 05:24 [#00628814]
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probably. but not half as quick as its peers



 

offline etched from charlotte (United States) on 2003-04-02 05:27 [#00628824]
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hey man, i happen to LOVE
kraftwerk - computer love
vocals are AWESOME in the "chorus"


 

offline uzim on 2003-04-02 05:28 [#00628827]
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i don't think so...

maybe the whole idm genre will be completely obsolete in
some years, and confield as well as the others! there is no
reason why it would last forever...
and, even if it's a good cd, it isn't that unique - maybe it
would be unique if other post-amber Ae hadn't existed.

confield is a great album, but only time will tell if it is
or was timeless or not! : )


 

offline etched from charlotte (United States) on 2003-04-02 05:33 [#00628834]
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hey, same as "richard d. james album"


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-04-02 05:36 [#00628842]
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I was thinking the same thing.. it doesnt conform to the
"dance" music techniques and technology of the time.. it
doesnt even follow any rhythm or instrumental trends.. it's
extremely abstract.. I dont think the sound exhibited on
confield will ever be played or outdated any time in the
near future


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-04-02 05:40 [#00628850]
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But not only ae make Confield type music there are tons of
decent stuff of a similar nature.

Don't get me wrong Confield is one of the best albums I own
but it is far from unique.



 

offline etched from charlotte (United States) on 2003-04-02 05:43 [#00628853]
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damn, i dun even actually own these albums....mp3's yeah,
but i just get what's available, i dun try to get full CDs
at one time
(once again, have to mention the fact that dialup SUCKS
BALLS!)


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2003-04-02 05:45 [#00628854]
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I can sell you a copy of confield

the very end of the last song skips a lot.. and I couldnt
even tell .. if you're interested let me knwo


 

offline etched from charlotte (United States) on 2003-04-02 05:50 [#00628859]
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ahhhhh, if i had an income to easily dispose of, i would
GLADLY buy it off ya


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-04-02 05:52 [#00628860]
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i hate this thing 'dated'.. i mostly listen to older stuff,
polygon window stuff is in my afx top right now :) confield
is still too modern for me


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2003-04-02 05:55 [#00628868]
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confield doesnt seem different to any other Ae, to me
anyway...its just another bunch of random ae tracks....

and even if it is unique right now, there could be albums
based on it in the future, perhaps even better then confield
is...


 

offline etched from charlotte (United States) on 2003-04-02 05:59 [#00628875]
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dude, my favorite rdj is the polygon window days
smokin and drinkin, it fits right in and freaks you out, i
LOVE it


 

offline uzim on 2003-04-02 06:23 [#00628901]
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neetta > right ^^

the only thing that really matters about time release
may be the sound quality imo... and even so, old releases
can be remastered...


 

offline Fernz from A Scottish Wanker (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-02 07:41 [#00628964]
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Its really only up to the listener what sounds dated in my
opinion. In regards to Ae, I can still listen to INCUNABULA
through CONFIELD and I hear no datedness. ;p


 

offline Morgoth from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-04-02 07:43 [#00628967]
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I don't think in terms of being dated or not. If I like
something, I like it, period.

And I don't think the older stuff of RDJ is dated either,
it's just different from what the man' s up to now.



 

offline notmyname from France on 2003-04-02 07:49 [#00628968]
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predictions are so crap...

confield in 200 years? who knows?

i can only speak for 2003 (a brillant record!)



 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-04-02 12:10 [#00629275]
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i do not see confield as unique in this sense, it is really
abstract but abstract music is released everywhere
everytime. the confield uniqueness comes from the fact that
the "idm" scene is recent, and many people are still young
(aged and in musical perspective) so they were blown away by
it, when i heard it i found it to be rubbish, noize, but
nothing revolutionary... now i find it excellent for many
reasons (trully wonderful even) but i hate it when people
say it's a unique sound/style, etc... simply because it's
not true,
in résumé i tend to agree with bob mac bob, it sound like
ae, no need to go further and overanalyze things...


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-02 12:20 [#00629289]
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it'll sound dated in about 2 years. one of confield's
downfalls is that one of the biggest appeals is its modern,
cutting edge sound (production and composition). 2 years
from now artists including autechre themselves will make
this cd sound about as dated as incunabula. that's not to
say it won't still be enjoyable.


 

offline Zombiekev from Ardmore (United States) on 2003-04-02 14:38 [#00629414]
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i enjoy confield way (wayze) too much.

time to fade away.
lost to winter's cold breasts.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-02 15:32 [#00629496]
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Confield already does sound dated...

BY EP7, LP5 AND CHICHLISUITE


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-02 15:34 [#00629500]
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i dont think any of the "new" stuff by them will EVER sound
dated.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-04-02 15:37 [#00629505]
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Interesting; I was about to say that Confield already sounds
dated to me because I've listened to it to death.

I wonder if music fans asked the same things in the 70s,
wondering if Bowie would ever sound dated... :-)


 

offline wayout from the street of crocodiles on 2003-04-02 16:48 [#00629574]
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im usually not as strict as other people when it comes to
deciding whether an album sounds 'dated' or not.. a lot of
people say the rdj album sounds dated to them.. i dont
really see that at all..
but yes, in 5 to 10 years, confield will be regarded as
sounding dated by many people
.. as titsworth said.. like a lot of abstract electronic
music coming out now, its all dependent on new technology
and techniques... people are already calling the whole
'drill n bass' thing obsolete, and its not even ten years
old..

you have to remember that a lot of the people who make and
listen to this music have severe ADD heheh


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-04-02 17:00 [#00629578]
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The idea Confield is a new and unique sound is as flawed as
Radiohead fans thinking electronic music was pioneered by
Radiohead (and beleive me there are people who think that)


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2003-04-02 17:06 [#00629580]
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maybe Radiohead fans would reconsider once they've heard
Ae's releases preceding Radiohead's Kid A release?


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-02 17:13 [#00629582]
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i really don't see or hear the connection


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-04-02 17:26 [#00629590]
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As people who beleive Confield was the first of its kind
would reconsider if they listened to the work of other
people.

Personally I think Radioheads attempts at electronic music
are rather bland and predictable.


 

offline Cfern from Sacto (United States) on 2003-04-02 17:41 [#00629594]
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no

bands like can (1971) or early sonic youth (1982) don't
sound dated becuase no-one sounded like them before or
sense.... confield doesn't sound similar to anything

most generic idm is destied to be dated or already is...


 

offline Komakino from Tan-giers USSR (Russia) on 2003-04-02 18:00 [#00629606]
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Can will always be edgy.

Confield will always be edgy, thats about as far as
predictions go without being annoying.


 

offline nacmat on 2003-04-02 18:11 [#00629613]
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beatles dont sound dated to me

so imagine my answer

good music cannot sound dated, but if in 20 years someone
does something like confield, then it will sound dated to me


 

offline wayout from the street of crocodiles on 2003-04-02 18:21 [#00629619]
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i dunno, morton subotnick was making rather confield-esque
stuff as far back as the 60's
just listen to 'the wild bull'

im not saying it sounds dated.. more of a response to those
who think confield was something completely new and out of
the blue



 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-04-02 19:54 [#00629684]
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I dunno... I can't imagine it ever sounding ''old'', because
the sounds are so abstract, no defineable drum or synth
sound that you pin down to an era. Surfing on Sine Waves and
others have the ''early 90's hi-hats'' and what-not,
Confield doesn't have any of that.

I dunno. I'll add this topic to my faves and check back in a
decade or two.


 

offline rF from __e____e_________e______q_____ (Australia) on 2003-04-02 20:12 [#00629694]
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ophecks: so you're saying the drums in pen expers arent
definable? sounds like an old drum machine, with all dsp and
stuff of course..


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-04-02 20:13 [#00629696]
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nobody can sound like can.. can are amazing. can will never
sound dated. same goes for gong and white noise imo.. we
should discuss early 'pioneers' like them more. rich himself
has mentioned can being one of his greatest influences, but
i bet not even half us kids know what can sounds like.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-02 20:22 [#00629700]
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can sound VERY dated to me but i love 'em anyway


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-04-02 20:25 [#00629701]
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bah no they don't

pop dates, good music does not.


 

offline Komakino from Tan-giers USSR (Russia) on 2003-04-02 20:43 [#00629706]
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what are you talking about??..how the fuck can a band who
started in germany in 1968 with fuck all equipment NOT sound
dated??

Ageing is not a put-down, boards of canada actaully prefer
their music too sound dated.

For Krautrock, Neu!, Faust and Popol Vuh are also brilliant.


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-04-02 20:45 [#00629707]
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ok so dated is not a negative expression? (i assume that was
reply to me not tits)


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-02 21:04 [#00629712]
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offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-04-02 21:07 [#00629713]
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Yeah, but they sound dated in a deliberate way... it's kind
of some strange comfy feeling to hear them amidst all that
carnage.


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-02 23:59 [#00629844]
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great music only gets better with age. timelessness is
something you can't TRY to attain. so who cares about WHEN
it happened. if it's any good, just thank GOD it DID!!!!!


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2003-04-04 07:07 [#00632261]
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all music can become aged, and that doesnt mean you wont
like it.....
but ae will never sound 'old school'
...and avant guarde music will always become dated more
quickly then music that is very similar or slightly improved
to the kind of music directly before it...


 


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