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When music sounds dated to me, its not because of the sounds or techniques, but because the general style is not practiced anymore. Like with RDJ's Polygon Window and other early releases, they sound dated to me because the style of music is just not practiced any more... So I'm thinking.. where does that leave Confield? This cd has no style, it simply exists. It feels like it's making itself... It came out of nowhere and there's never been anything truly like it before or after the release (Draft is NOT another confield IMO, though it is great)... I bet someone could listen to Confield in 100 years and never guess that it was made waaay back in 2001 |
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the same is true for some kraftwerk tracks |
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probably. but not half as quick as its peers |
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hey man, i happen to LOVE kraftwerk - computer love vocals are AWESOME in the "chorus" |
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i don't think so... maybe the whole idm genre will be completely obsolete in some years, and confield as well as the others! there is no reason why it would last forever... and, even if it's a good cd, it isn't that unique - maybe it would be unique if other post-amber Ae hadn't existed. confield is a great album, but only time will tell if it is or was timeless or not! : ) |
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hey, same as "richard d. james album" |
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I was thinking the same thing.. it doesnt conform to the "dance" music techniques and technology of the time.. it doesnt even follow any rhythm or instrumental trends.. it's extremely abstract.. I dont think the sound exhibited on confield will ever be played or outdated any time in the near future |
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But not only ae make Confield type music there are tons of decent stuff of a similar nature. Don't get me wrong Confield is one of the best albums I own but it is far from unique. |
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damn, i dun even actually own these albums....mp3's yeah, but i just get what's available, i dun try to get full CDs at one time (once again, have to mention the fact that dialup SUCKS BALLS!) |
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I can sell you a copy of confield the very end of the last song skips a lot.. and I couldnt even tell .. if you're interested let me knwo |
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ahhhhh, if i had an income to easily dispose of, i would GLADLY buy it off ya |
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i hate this thing 'dated'.. i mostly listen to older stuff, polygon window stuff is in my afx top right now :) confield is still too modern for me |
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confield doesnt seem different to any other Ae, to me anyway...its just another bunch of random ae tracks.... and even if it is unique right now, there could be albums based on it in the future, perhaps even better then confield is... |
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dude, my favorite rdj is the polygon window days smokin and drinkin, it fits right in and freaks you out, i LOVE it |
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neetta > right ^^ the only thing that really matters about time release may be the sound quality imo... and even so, old releases can be remastered... |
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Its really only up to the listener what sounds dated in my opinion. In regards to Ae, I can still listen to INCUNABULA through CONFIELD and I hear no datedness. ;p |
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I don't think in terms of being dated or not. If I like something, I like it, period. And I don't think the older stuff of RDJ is dated either, it's just different from what the man' s up to now. |
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predictions are so crap... confield in 200 years? who knows? i can only speak for 2003 (a brillant record!) |
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i do not see confield as unique in this sense, it is really abstract but abstract music is released everywhere everytime. the confield uniqueness comes from the fact that the "idm" scene is recent, and many people are still young (aged and in musical perspective) so they were blown away by it, when i heard it i found it to be rubbish, noize, but nothing revolutionary... now i find it excellent for many reasons (trully wonderful even) but i hate it when people say it's a unique sound/style, etc... simply because it's not true, in résumé i tend to agree with bob mac bob, it sound like ae, no need to go further and overanalyze things... |
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it'll sound dated in about 2 years. one of confield's downfalls is that one of the biggest appeals is its modern, cutting edge sound (production and composition). 2 years from now artists including autechre themselves will make this cd sound about as dated as incunabula. that's not to say it won't still be enjoyable. |
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i enjoy confield way (wayze) too much. time to fade away. lost to winter's cold breasts. |
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Confield already does sound dated... BY EP7, LP5 AND CHICHLISUITE |
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i dont think any of the "new" stuff by them will EVER sound dated. |
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Interesting; I was about to say that Confield already sounds dated to me because I've listened to it to death. I wonder if music fans asked the same things in the 70s, wondering if Bowie would ever sound dated... :-) |
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im usually not as strict as other people when it comes to deciding whether an album sounds 'dated' or not.. a lot of people say the rdj album sounds dated to them.. i dont really see that at all.. but yes, in 5 to 10 years, confield will be regarded as sounding dated by many people .. as titsworth said.. like a lot of abstract electronic music coming out now, its all dependent on new technology and techniques... people are already calling the whole 'drill n bass' thing obsolete, and its not even ten years old.. you have to remember that a lot of the people who make and listen to this music have severe ADD heheh |
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The idea Confield is a new and unique sound is as flawed as Radiohead fans thinking electronic music was pioneered by Radiohead (and beleive me there are people who think that) |
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maybe Radiohead fans would reconsider once they've heard Ae's releases preceding Radiohead's Kid A release? |
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i really don't see or hear the connection |
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As people who beleive Confield was the first of its kind would reconsider if they listened to the work of other people. Personally I think Radioheads attempts at electronic music are rather bland and predictable. |
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no bands like can (1971) or early sonic youth (1982) don't sound dated becuase no-one sounded like them before or sense.... confield doesn't sound similar to anything most generic idm is destied to be dated or already is... |
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Can will always be edgy. Confield will always be edgy, thats about as far as predictions go without being annoying. |
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beatles dont sound dated to me so imagine my answer good music cannot sound dated, but if in 20 years someone does something like confield, then it will sound dated to me |
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i dunno, morton subotnick was making rather confield-esque stuff as far back as the 60's just listen to 'the wild bull' im not saying it sounds dated.. more of a response to those who think confield was something completely new and out of the blue |
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I dunno... I can't imagine it ever sounding ''old'', because the sounds are so abstract, no defineable drum or synth sound that you pin down to an era. Surfing on Sine Waves and others have the ''early 90's hi-hats'' and what-not, Confield doesn't have any of that. I dunno. I'll add this topic to my faves and check back in a decade or two. |
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ophecks: so you're saying the drums in pen expers arent definable? sounds like an old drum machine, with all dsp and stuff of course.. |
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nobody can sound like can.. can are amazing. can will never sound dated. same goes for gong and white noise imo.. we should discuss early 'pioneers' like them more. rich himself has mentioned can being one of his greatest influences, but i bet not even half us kids know what can sounds like. |
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can sound VERY dated to me but i love 'em anyway |
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bah no they don't pop dates, good music does not. |
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what are you talking about??..how the fuck can a band who started in germany in 1968 with fuck all equipment NOT sound dated?? Ageing is not a put-down, boards of canada actaully prefer their music too sound dated. For Krautrock, Neu!, Faust and Popol Vuh are also brilliant. |
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ok so dated is not a negative expression? (i assume that was reply to me not tits) |
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Yeah, but they sound dated in a deliberate way... it's kind of some strange comfy feeling to hear them amidst all that carnage. |
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great music only gets better with age. timelessness is something you can't TRY to attain. so who cares about WHEN it happened. if it's any good, just thank GOD it DID!!!!! |
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all music can become aged, and that doesnt mean you wont like it..... but ae will never sound 'old school' ...and avant guarde music will always become dated more quickly then music that is very similar or slightly improved to the kind of music directly before it... |
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