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in response to the "it's sad that you have to rely on chemicals for enjoyment" reply to every single drug appreciation comment: it's simply the swap of one neurotransmitter for another. you are now and have been since birth experiencing life from the perspective of the serotonin "trip". so what's the big deal? using chemicals internally to observe and experience reality from a unique perspective is not disimilar from using a microscope or a telescope except that, being internal, more cuation and wisdom is required for reponsible use. drugs are technology. you don't have to use em, but please leave us alone, especially those of us who use chemicals in a sacred setting. |
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it makes total sence. i don't use drrugs coz i'm skint, and if i wasent i dont think i would but i don't carre if people do as long as they don't kill themselves and don't hurrt me. |
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i agree. it's better if your sense of risk remains intact. sometimes society's lack of understanding and acceptance of drugs can put users in social circles where that sense of risk is substantially diminished. and of course all drugs are different compounds and should be treated as such the same way all foods are. we have a long way to go |
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i've got one word: exercise |
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I think drugs are dangerous because people don't understand them. The only way to understand them is to let them become accepted that people will use them,then to teach people about them.People are generaly scared to ask about them in public becasue they are worried about other people reaction towards their asking. Help me out here someone,I find it hard to put my thoughts into words. |
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Oh George got it in one.. |
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yeah its ignorance/fear/ignorance. same as ever |
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pachi, elaborate? tone, i think the lack of education and blatant false public education on drugs(here in the states) plays a large role in the problems that can be seen with users. |
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regarding the topic title, i just meant to say that exercise/work-outs will naturally boost serotonin levels. |
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yeah, and general well being the follows. |
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i realized i'm way too paranoid to smoke weed. it brang me to a chaotic state where i cannot find my real self back |
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serotonin.. its a mindframe. a kind of discipline im fortunate in being able to just pull myself out of the dumps.. and just smile ill have bad moments sure, but i think i spend the majority of my time with good spirits |
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different people settle at different levels. most settle at just below satisfied. there's an obvious genetic advantage in being slightly less than satisfied most of the time. and with science and technology around, we've more or less stopped evolving. we can use birth control if we want, and we can take drugs too. |
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yeah it would not be a good thing to be permanently content |
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i agree with all you've said, jupitah. responsible drug use: a kind of technology that is being surpressed, in fact they wouldn't even want it being thought of as technology, OH NO WAY. because drugs are bad, mmkay? it reminds me: DMT, the most potent psychedelic, is also found in everyone's head, in small amounts. it of course has been made illegal, so everyone on this board is in posession of an illegal substance!!! heh |
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well either your nob gets sore or you go mad |
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the UDV church based in brazil focuses its practice on ayahuasca, or hoasca as they call it, a tea/brew containing DMT among other things that has been used for many centuries. a professor/friend of mine, dennis mckenna, conducted a study on this church and it's members. alcoholics are known to have low serotonin levels. apparently the recovered alcoholics in this church (there were many) have higher than average serotonin levels. |
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im sorry to hear it :) |
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LOL twat |
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:D |
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wow cool. is Dennis McKenna Terrance McKenna's brother? |
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yeah |
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What about Paul McKenna? |
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i don't know about Paul McKenna? |
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thanks jupitah... very well put ive never thought of it as a "technology" before but that makes perfect sense! and i agree that it takes caution and wisdom to get the most out of drugs... they're not just a toy to have fun with ....they can be very powerful, and has the capacity to be as rewarding as it can be dangerous i guess it depends what you want out of them, and how you approach them.. im glad i had the good fortune to be able to 'discover' them in the right setting (ie the right people) |
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I thought Dennis McKenna was pretty straight - I got the impression from reading "True Hallucinations" that he pretty much turned his back on experimenting himself any more - he works in pharm. research no?.. But I got the impression that the shit that happened to him, his brother and their friends was way too weird for him to deal with, and that he doesnt really condone it. Or am I wrong? |
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i haven't read true hallucinations, but i took a course of his called "people, plants and drugs" which was an intro to ethnobotany and ethnopharmacology, mainly a focus on our cultural evolution with naturally occuring psychoactives (important to us for as long as we've been homo sapien). he's very serious and passionate about the issue and by no means "straight". |
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i don't want to pretend i know him better than i do... i don't know if he's still taking psychedelics, but he certainly respects them. |
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i totally agree. |
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I strongly suggest you read True Hallucinations - not only is it a really really good book with some amazing drug stories, great travelogues and really well written - but also I think it might give you a different side to your friend Mr McKenna.. I didnt mean to say he was straight, just his opinions are not quite as far out there as his late brother's were... Give that book a read - would love to know what you think of it. Also look at website - I think it will really interest you... http://deoxy.org/deoxy.htm Sorry dont know how to make link but there is a lot of McKenna (terence) stuff on there... |
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tokyojo, i have read true hallucinations and it was a blast. the one i thought that i hadn't read is the invisible landscape, which dennis and terence authored together. as for dennis' opinions, i think he just has a greater appreciation of the scientific method and he's maybe a more grounded individual... and it's not as if he speaks publicly on his most radical philosophies. hes just not a public figure like his brother was. in my opinion he is many ways a far more progressive thinker than terence was. then again i never knew terence, but i did read quite a bit of his literature and transcribed lecture and discussions. deoxy is a wonderful site. thanks for that link J198 |
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permanent contentment would be nice |
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i agree, but if it was achieved artificially, then it would amount to delusion |
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but if the delusion was effective, it wouldn't matter because your brain wouldn't be able to tell the difference, in fact there would be no difference. http://www.psychedelics.com |
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i don't have many morrals. i'm an each to theirr own kinda perrson, and since we all drrink alcohol on herre no one needs to crriticise the people who take drrugs |
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yeah ive heard that argument its not good for you to be in denial of reality however. it makes you unstable and susceptible to any number of neuroses |
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but the chemicals in the brain determine reality. |
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its not the chemicals themselves that solely compose your consciousness, its the totality of all parts of yourself. your experiences are what determine who you are, and to warp your judgement of those is to hence cloud your perspective of what is real that makes sense to me, anyhow :) |
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so, to say that serotonin equates to happiness is also a fallacy. you cant expect any chemical to be a constant in your system. true happiness can only be achieved by coming to terms with reality and finding contentment with who you are. its not something which can be magically induced. like i said in my first post in this thread, its a discipline. |
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You should read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley... Its (partly) about exactly this question. |
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happiness, happiness the greatest gift that i possess. I thank the lord That I've been blessed With more than my share of happiness. |
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the doors of percetion/heaven and hell by aldous huxley is good also, about his exeperience with mescalin |
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Yes that is good - have you read any of his other books? Island is also really good. THis thread is turning into book of the month club.. |
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no i havent, i definately want to though. i found doors of perception hard going but extremely interesting, it was something that i have never thought about before |
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yeah, nothing is constant, except change i suppose, and possibly those laws of physics. belief that lsd or serotonin suppliments or a nice house or whatever will bring you happiness is obviously not the right path. i'm not sure happiness comes with discipline though. a friend said to me that "life is about not getting in the way" and i believe this is some timeless wisdom. for me it's about letting go and letting life be fluid as it is, and stop pretending it's something that one can put a harness on and controled with rigid structures. buildings crumble and grass grows through the concrete. not to say that we should stop constructing, but this phenomenon has application in the realm of psychology and spirituality. a lot of physical patterns of nature have application in understanding consciousness. so go spend some time with the trees and the rivers! they'll teach you so much! and it isn't so different from magic. magic is real, we've just forgotten what it is. these illusionists calling there artform magic is so crap, as if "this isn't real magic, but it's the closest you'll ever get." the more i let go the more it becomes apparent that life is magic, the good times and the bad. i worked at a nursing home for a while, serving meals. this old woman who was lost in her alzheimers looked at my friend with great amazment and proclaimed "you're made of pure magic!" with all seriousness. she's not exactly grounded or stable, but she had a little bit of truth in her yet. johhny, this wasn't all a reply to you. for all know you worship a stone. just following a tangent. |
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yeah thats what i mean to say really, the letting go, of preconceptions and other barriers lets say, in order to find happiness with your place in reality but ill maintain that that takes discipline. its easy in the modern world to fold back into quick fixes. be those any sort of material thing. possession is a killer! the magic is in our being here in the first place isnt it? im not even religious but when i immerse myself in a natural location, such as the beach, im always taken aback i am curious as to what you mean by worshipping a stone.. i can draw many in-depth tangents from that :) |
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haha, only a joke about the stone :) i was going on about gaining wisdom from nature and only meant that i wasn't implying you didn't know about such things. for all i know you are a nature worshipper, is what i meant. but your right. the mainstream is not the stream of happiness and letting go, so it does require discipline to get out of that stream, to fight the current. but you eventually get to a certain point where you become so comfortable i having let go that it's natural and not something that needs to be worked at. i've been in and out throughout my life. our being here is indeed magic. existence didn't have to be. it seems that the big bang and the physical forces of nature could be the manifestation of primordial drive to be and express. it's as if the same thing that drives us to create art to express what we feel needs to be expressed is no different from the forces that pulled stars together and pulled us out of the sun and the earth. ultimately everything we do is a highly complex result of physical forces so this is literally true. |
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regarding my second paragraph, this point i describe where you no longer have to "work" is the same point that one reaches when they are dancing or playing an instrument and are able to stop thinking and let it flow completely from feeling. this is the core of my personal "religion" -- in that we all have a personal religion. |
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its good innit :) yet so easy to lose sight of.. i seem to duck in and out of my ideal mindframe daily, get hung up on stupid things, and so on.. but yes fortunately im an optimist by nature. ill make it to my best self if i try just that bit harder |
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