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what is 'acid' music? one of my mates reckons it's anything with a 303 in it, and another was goin on about the sound. he kept goin "neeeow", but i still don't get it.. does it have to have a 4 4 beat? (i think thats like a disco beat but i could be confusing time signatures with kick drum positions). '?' |
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it's 303 and 909/808 music, with the rez up high, along with with env :) and the decay normally down low |
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something like diamethyline lysergic acid - 25????? (Albert Hoffman 808) heehee yummmm.... |
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an acid is a proton donator. |
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i read somewhere DJ Pierre invented the acid sound when he was fucking around with a Roland bass maschine |
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a little [] you put on your tongue or eyelid |
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It couldn't have taken him long -- all you have to do to get the classic acid 303 is put the resonance up to full, twiddle the envelope from half-way to full, decay down to zero, and fiddle with the cut-off! et voila! one acidy 303! |
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I heard you can go blind if you put a tab of acid on your eyelid. |
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a piece of purple this big |
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but personally I think acid has now evolved to a point that any techno with nasty stabbing gurgling bass synth sounds should technically qualify 303 or not because there's a whole genre of this music that has popped up which are not using 303/808 but has the same ethic attitude as acid without having a defined genre name..Aphex Acid and Chaos AD are very good example of it.. |
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aggh stop talkin about drugs... ok i think i got the settings bit.. though i'm gonna have to get a 303 it seems.. hmm.. does it matter what notes you play? |
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ah! right.. so what synths make nasty stabbing gurgling bass synth sounds? |
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i'm listening to chaos ad now and it sounds like a 303 to me... |
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roland tb 303. get a emulator i.e. rebirth from www.propellerheads.se and experiment. most modern synths, e.g. virus series, new roland one(cant remember name),etc will have a 303 type patch on it. |
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Yes, him and some mates got a 303 w/o a manual (so the story goes). They were dicking around with it and moving the knob positions whilst it was playing... that was the great innovation. Up until then the 303 was quite unpopular (hence the comparatively small number of them made) as lets be honest it's pretty gash as a replacement for a real bass instrument. Which is what it was made for- a bass equivalent of a drum machine for solo guitarists etc. to use as an accompaniment. Acid is characterised by the 303 (in particular "squelchy" bass sounds produced by it) and the classic 808 drum machine sounds. The SH-101 was also quite good for acid bass sounds. |
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303 but it's also processed through filters etc... Acid Purists like the 303 sound to bejust that and direct... |
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i always thought the 303 on 'jam-your radio' by knights of the turntables was a pretty good replacement for a real bass instrument... i guess it's all a matter of perception and taste. should i download rebirth then? |
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I've not heard that track, so I can't really comment on it, but the general perception among pros when the 303 came out was that it was (without lots of filter and other FX to jazz it up) a toy and not a "serious" synth. Re-birth is great fun- I think it was the first thing I cut me teeth on- back on the original demo years and years ago. It's a very good representation of the sounds of the originals and you can get some very un-acidy tracks out of it (check out some of the user tracks on people have made for it). I quickly got tired of doing whole tracks in it, but it's good fun for just playing it "live" and also it's worth sampling the 303 sections at least for use in other tracks. |
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sh-101 is much more suited to drum n bass synth basslines than acid music. but yeah sh101 as well as a few others, all seem to be roland. 909 as well but not as famous as 808...its strange how the 303 and 606 were released at the same time, but now no-one wants a 606 drum machine and everyone wants a 303, even though the 606s drums were more drum-like than the 303s 'bass'. |
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"They were dicking around with it and moving the knob positions whilst it was playing... that was the great innovation." so is this acid? " it's worth sampling the 303 sections at least for use in other tracks. " or is that acid? is there a way to sample, and then tweak? |
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I think it's because the 606 has been superceded by the 808 (although that said, the 909 isn't more popular nowadays- go figure!) whereas there's nothing quite like an original 303, despite some synths coming very close to replicating its sound. The sequencer based nature of it also makes you use it a particular way that performance synths can't. You're right about the SH-101 being more suited to DnB. |
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today i went to work with kosmik-kommando's UI-mix on my MD :) niiiiiice |
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Well, playing around with the dials whilst the same pattern plays again and again is something you'd associate with acid, but acid has a definate sound. Best bet would be to DL some typical early acid (Stakker - Most of his stuff, Phuture - "Acid Trax", etc.) and get a feel for it yourself. Sampling then tweaking- sure, you can run the .wav through fx etc. and mess about with it that way, but of course it'll sound less and less like a 303 the more you do. |
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i knew a chic, that the doctor knew she was doing it , just by looking into her eyes, stupid chic |
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my mate reckons all BOC's stuff is done with 101s. is that right? i've never even seen a 101.. |
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is a 101 a baby 303? |
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its quite possible. the 101 has a fairly unique structure. it has a mixer in it to mix a pulse and saw wave i think. i cant remember. they are great machines. can produce a great musically complex signal. try looking for a boc faq. |
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Yeah, it's funny, you can tell pretty accurately if women are likely to have lesbian tendencies based on the confguration of the internal bits of your ear :) Our ex flat mate who smoked for britain was amazed when the doctor said, "Do you smoke marijuana by any chance, Mr. Herring?" after a fairly routine inspection. George: A lot of Boc's earlier stuff was done on a pair of 101s according to Joyrex. I recognise the sounds of it in a few old tracks, but I think they must of added a lot of fx/distortion etc. to the sound if it's 101s in all their old stuff. |
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a 101 is different to a 303. goto for more info. |
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totally different ;) |
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it looks good. how do you get samples into it? |
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i see squarepusher uses one.. ooh i want one now.. is there a software version? that must be what tom j uses.... |
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i've been to roland.com and there's no mention of a 101 anywhere.. loads of 303s though.. |
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Nearest you'll get to it in software is the various versions of Vaz modular synth. |
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this vaz modular thing looks good.. how do i get it to sound like a 101? can it sound like a 303 as well? i see there's loads of mc303s for sale.. maybe i should just get a 303... |
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There's are 4 patches for it that sound like 101s... each of these is fully tweakable- just like a real 101. Very good bassline sounds from it. I've never tried to make it like a 303 (I have enough other stuff to do that!), but I'm sure you can. |
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sod it i'm getting a 202. :) |
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cheers all .. v |
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Good luck to being patient enough to use the 303 style programming interface :) |
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it's not really 303 style cos on a 202 u can have portamento on different notes, as well as being able to set each note length independently. and u can program it real-time, although it quantises to 1/192 bar, which is very acid indeed. |
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what is the opposite of acid? |
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thanks to your q i just pitch-reversed where's your child and i'm about to trademark the term 'alkali trax' |
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Basic or alcalin. |
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I didn't know you could real time it. :) Anyway, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Have fun and let us hear what you get up to with it. |
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Alkaline, sorry ("alcalin" is the french word). |
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