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I just finished watching Terminator 2: Judgement Day. My friend has the special DVD so we watched the super long version with all the cut scenes added back in. Anyways, after watching this I wondered about T3. How does Skynet get created if the chip and arm are destroyed, the terminator is destroyed, all the files about the chip are destroyed, and the guy that creates Skynet is dead. Well as I was watching the movie I noticed that when the liquid terminator (T-3000 mb?) is fighting with the T-200 (Arnold Scwarch...), there is a part where the T-200 gets his arm caught in a gear, and has to rip it off. Sorry for rambling, but do you guys think that may be what reason they use to make a whole new Terminator? Honestly I hope they do, because they dont have much else, and I dont want to see the other two Terminator movies made shitty by a bad third! |
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Well, look at it like this: If they had destroyed it and changed the future, everything they had just done would have never happened becuase the terminator in the first movie would have never existed in the first place. No one would have travelled back in time, and everything they knew would just be erased. So obviously there something missing somewhere. Ex: They may have sent another terminator back with the t-1000. It may have just been waiting till later, though that seems unlikely. The arm that got stuck in the machine would certainly be a possibility. Perhaps the company had a lab elsewhere with all the research on the chip, or had already built the new processor and just didn't mention it. Who Know. Check out the trailer for T3. www.terminator3.com It looks very yummy. It is supposedly the highest budgeted film ever at 150 million dollars, and James Cameron, although he didn't direct it, was on the set a lot of the time during production. |
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Sorry man, you're going to see the other two movies made shitty by the third. have you seen the previews? ... It's just a money trap, that's all it is. Oh shit, the terminator is all wrinkly and old now! guess they should've oiled it more. |
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Yeah i've seen the trailor a few times. Nice stuff. Personally I cant wait to see the futureistic battles. They never really could do them in the past with the terminators.... but now the little bastards can run and jump all over the place! Should look amazing. I was glad to read that James Cameron was on the set for the movie. It wouldnt be right to make T3 and not have him involved. U know the lady that played John Connors mom? Well apparently her and JC were married, but divorced. She will not be in the movie because she refuses to be in the same room as JC. That kinda sux... |
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hahahahahahahaha! you thought the ads looked GOOD?!?!?! i look at it like this... i LOVE batman, i really do... but i'm not willing to swallow some crappy movie just to satiate my hunger for it. plus, how good can it be? the actual creator himself isn't involved. that SAYS something. plus, after richard patrick's performance in T2, nothing is gonna top it. |
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Yes, the preview was done up quite nice. I really liked the beginning the most, with the skulls underwater..... I'm glad my liking the preview is funny to you! |
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Maby people shouldnt be so critical of something that isnt out yet..... |
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I figure I won't worry about it sucking. I'll just wait till I see it and then I'll know the answer. It's too bad that a lot of the people wouldn't be in the movie. The guy that was Reese in the first movie turned down a part, prolly because they cut him out of the second. Edward Furlong (John Conner) turned down a part to, or was never offered one, not sure which. It should still be good. I highly doubt it will make the other 2 movies look bad. That war seen at the begginning of the second movie was badass. They should be able to do it a lot better now. I here there may be a 4th movie being made as well. |
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Richard Patrick was in Terminator 2? Did he sing some whiny shit and complain about trent? Oh wait, you must mean ROBERT Patrick. |
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yeah, he sung "hey man, nice shot" it rocked!!! you didnt see that part? |
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then trent reznor bursted in and stab him with a knife-arm. |
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the T-3000 was Trent Reznor!?!? Mmm yeah I forgot he can morph... pretty convenient for they guys down in the FX department! |
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I think it's more funny that people can slate a movie before its even been released. You must have a good crystal ball. |
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uh, t-1000 ... and actually, no, he was played by billy corgan. |
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my crystal ball is called "the ability to see a preview and determine whether the acting is absolutely horrible or not." ... whoa, amazingly enough, i saw a preview, and the acting was horrible. also, how the hell they're going to make this female terminator with the witchblade arm or whatever that shit is, intimidate me, is a real mystery. I'll still shell out money to see this in theatres, but... I've rarely been wrong about my judgements based on previews. |
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I know T3 is going to be lame. First, Arnold is the only one from the other movies cast and crew in it. then have you seen the bad guy? It's a chick! not just a chick but an anorexic supermodel! How fucked up is that? How am I suppossed to see her killing people when I cant get over the fact that I want to hump her. Hollywood is so lame thats totally something they would do. I hear they might make a female James Bond or a black james bond. That would just ruin the franchise (as if it werent already by that shitty new one) |
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mongoloid, i COMPLETELY agree. |
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danbrusca: I know what you mean! |
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So although you think it's going to be crap you're going to pay to go and see it? Okaaaay. There's hardly any acting in the trailer anyway. Certainly not enough to tell if the acting is good or not. Even if the acting is crap it doesn't follow the movie must be. After all, Edward Furlong didn't win any Oscars for T2... |
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Surely the fact the 'bad guy' is a fit chick is a bonus? ;) |
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um, YES it does. acting is the PRIMARY element in a film. you ever study film? the actors one and only job is to bring the words on the page to life. if they fail, then the whole production fails. one liners like "she'll be back" make me cringe. it's badly written, and badly acted. enjoy throwing away your seven dollars. |
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Heh, you folks aren't much for this little term called "foresight" are you? Yes, I'm going to pay to go see it with a group of friends, and if it's good, it'll be good, and if it's not, I'll have a very fun time mocking it. Come on, right there in the preview he busts out the "I'll be back" hybrid. He's having a fight in a graveyard carrying a casket. I'm already rolling my eyes at it, and previews are supposed to be the part that entice you to WANT to see the movie. Maybe they're just trying to save all the really good stuff, but with the state of previews today, I highly doubt it. |
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I'm scared... worried that it's just going to be a brainless action film... the other two seemed to be more than that. Even if it IS going to sink down to the doldrums of by-number action-fest, I think it looks fun... the effects should be great, I don't doubt that I'll enjoy it, actually. I DO doubt whether I'll REALLY like it though... hope I don't walk feeling stupider. No Linda Hamilton= a bad thing |
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I disagree. There have been plenty of good, enjoyable movies with lame acting. Hell, in some movies the lame acting is part of the fun. |
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um, no. name ONE. |
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...amendment to tibbar's request: name one you don't have to do one of the following for: a) poke fun at during the viewing process b) be drunk during the viewing process c) run into a wall prior to and/or after the viewing process |
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There's another side to previews. I wouldn't trust a preview that looked totally great because chances are all the best stuff from the movie is in it. |
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i think we are talking about 2 very diffrent types of movies here. |
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The Matrix and Speed (Keanu Reeves) Starship Troopers (the entire cast) American History X and Terminator 2 (Edward Furlong) Virtually any Hong Kong movie. Countless cheesy but fun comedies and spoofs. |
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hahahahaha yeah we are. |
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So if action movies like Speed, T2 and The Matrix can be good wsaddled with lame performances, why can't T3? |
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speed sucked. t2, i could care less about anything other than robert patrick in that movie. the matrix only had one bad erformance, keanu, and it was actually one of his better ones. |
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Ahhh, but you can't deny that although not to your tastes those films were, and still are, incredibly popular, despite the performances. |
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I like the concept of seeing Skynet in earily days. They have T-10's and shit like that, very basic robots compared to the T-200 and what not. |
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the kind of movies IM talking about are good movies, with a compelling story. anything by lynch kubrick wes anderson aranofsky citizen kane scorsese |
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so what does popularity matter? when has THAT ever been the guage on whether something is GOOD or not? |
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see, comedies and spoofs aren't even in the same realm. Terminator has always been a series that at least took itself somewhat seriously. as an aside, I thought the acting was actually good from edward in t2 and in american history x (not to mention the fact that norton alone was enough to make up for it, had it not been) ... also, when characters are directed to be purposefully campy (ala starship troopers), that's still good acting, just a different TYPE of acting... it's a different story in case where the actors just plain suck at acting, or the director sucks at directing them, and it's pretty clearly apparent to most people with a little knowledge of film. i don't like hong kong action movies, so i can't apply anything to them, i guess, and as far as comedies and spoofs go, refer back to my "intentional" statement. Also, a good comedy has a long lasting appeal, take The Big Lebowski for example. It's a fantastic movie, and remains fantastic, and hilarious. However, something like American Pie, is generally funny once or twice, and then you go "oh hey, this movie sucks now." ... In cases like The Matrix, there were a few good actors doing very good jobs, and some very good special effects... and that held it as far as fun factor goes for quite awhile... but eventually, those things wear off, and it doesn't hold it's own as much of anything but an example of "the FX of the times" Of course, this is all my opinion, and my opinion is often too harsh... but I honestly think that the terminator series has worn out it's welcome, and that this is going to be to the first two as godfather 3 was to the other godfathers. |
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nicely put |
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sadly, tibbar, for most of the population, popularity IS the gauge on whether something is good or not. Wow, I'm getting pretty long winded here, and I had intended to go to bed. Also, Hi people... maybe this is as good a time as any to introduce myself :P |
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So it's actually the type of movie you have a problem with, not the acting? BTW, Citizen Kane is perhaps one of the most boring films I've ever endured ;) |
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well, that shows where you're at, doesn't it? |
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Why? What assumptions are you making about me? |
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well, what we've been diverted from the initial reason this debate came up: our ability to judge a movie from the previews... how many times can you honestly say you've seen a preview, then seen a movie, and been totally surprised by what that movie had to offer? It happens, but it's rare, and with a series as popular as terminator, they're not going to be enigmatic with their previews... they're trying to psyche people up for the movie... if they have something better than the crap they've been showing, i think they would've shown some more of it by now. |
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i make no assumptions. i don't intend to tell you about you. it requires a deep appreciation of film and an understanding of its most intricate parts to appreciate something like citizen kane as much as it should be. |
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ack. i hate when i miss words. |
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I would love to answer this, but I don't actually get to see many relevant previews. Cinemas around here tend to show previews for films I have no interest in watching anyway. It's not very often I see a preview for a film I actually end up going to see. |
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That part where they're in the house and Kane is a kid playing in the snow is an example of that, that ''subjective focus'' thing! I never would have known about that if it wasn't for my film teacher. Cool little idea. |
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i intend to go see willard, although the fact that theyre playing "bullet with butterfly wings" in the previews makes me a bit uneasy. |
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ophecks: you rock, my friend! |
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I have a deep appreciation of film and it still bored me. One saving grace, The Magnificent Ambersons was worse. |
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