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I just had lunch with the mater, and we got to discussing Iraq and Israel. It raised some interesting questions, which I hope we can discuss. The questions are these: 01) Is Saddam alone in the Middle East? 02) Was Israel part of Jordan before 1948? If so, what claim do The Palestines have on Israel, why the conflict there? 03) Is PM Tony Blair actually doing a good thing? If he left Bush to be isolated, would these mean Bush would adopt a rat mentality and say "fuck em all" and thereby start bombing Iraq? I am not making any judgements with these questions--I'm just not well-informed enough to know the answers right now, and I know there are a lot of well-informed people here who can help clarify these points. T'anks. |
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01)dunno whut you mean by that.. 02)The Palestinians have lived there for many generations...Israel was..um..implanted there by the Zionists who bought farmlands and then startedimporting Jewish settlers from Europe..so Plaestinians have their rights of being originated from there...but right now the issue is not the existence of Israel but their continous xpansionism and the illegal occupation of Palestenian territories where they continue to push out the Palestinians and implant violent gun totting settlers surrounded by barbed wire fences.. 03)No. Blair is going out of his way to give implausible moral justifications for Bush adminstrations well..insanity. |
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Thanks Flea :) I meant by the 1st one, is Saddam supported by other Middle East states? |
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well..nobody in the middle east wants it attacked...not even their arch nemesis Iran..Turkey..well that's another story..the bastards have gone all European like :p |
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Especialy Iran, they've heightened security at their eastern oil field. They think that Sadam's army might set fire to the fields again if attacked. Oil maked up 85% of their economy. They cant risk shit like that. Oh well, I raq den I ran. |
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1- no there are other countries and other rulers 2-in the 1800's and 1900's england and france took over the middle east and divided it into smaller countries creating iraq, jordan, syria, lebanon...then after wwi the jews were brought from europe to what is known now as isreal/palestine too many battles ended in making it isreal( palestiniens minority and isrealies live there) and the west bank(palestiniens majority, settlers minority) |
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oh and 3- god only knows with politics after all blair might be the real satan! |
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3) i dont really think blair is supporting bush because of your thesis... i just cant imagine him thinking |
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3) I'm not sure Bush could go alone. The US' encouragement of the expansion of NATO further east has been part of a policy whereby they can rely on Europena states to do their bidding. Client states are very important to the US' strategic interests and their policy. I think what is really interesting at the moment is that we are seeing splits in the ruling class. I have no allusions regarding France and Germany's block of action; their elites have their own interests (including oil) and russia is of course pursuing a bloody war against the Chechens. Marx described the ruling class and states as 'warring brother's. They will fight over the spoils but when it comes to it they will unite to keep their respective populations down. Cracks in the ruling class and an anti-war, anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist movement make for exciting times. |
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please tolstoyed, not my thesis..just a question. |
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