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I really don't see why this is being overlooked. I'll try not to make this too dense of a post, as the premise is pretty basic: -bush cops out w/ an old crowd-pleaser, going to war with daddy's enemy saddam. -bush notes saddam's links to terrorist sects like al-queda (which isn't true at all. an alliance between alqeda and hussein is as likely as one between pope john paul and the los angeles clippers) -depite the presence of nuclear, biochemical weaponry in other countries allied with the usa, et. al. bush demands that saddam allow inspectors in and disarm. -saddam shows resistance, again and again. -bush then threatens war with saddam, should he choose to keep his secret arsenal, thus prompting it to be USED AGAINST THE UNITED STATES it's like a suicidal homicide attempt on a national level. utterly futile. even if we do end up winning this war, (chances are great) we will definately suffer devastating loss. this affects me directly because I am located at a main target for nuclear target-practice. so is our government.. I dont' know. do you see what I'm talking about? |
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I hear yah. |
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Nonsense. saddam has complied with every request that the UN have made. Bush still wants a war. There is NO threat to America from Iraq or any other countries in the world. America are the threat. They won't be happy until they get a Macdonalds and a K-Mart opened in Baghdad. Oh, and there's the oil as well. So, sleep easy tonight. You are safe. |
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oh right.. I forgot about that magical anti-nuke shield of pixie dust that is protecting our proud american soil nonsense? u've got to be kidding me .. this has been going on since 1998.. saddam has NOT complied with every request.. that is just SO off |
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I don't really care... |
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that's just ridiculous. |
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I'm a ridiculous person. I won't care until bombs start dropping on my house, and then I'll probably just sigh and die. |
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Apathy is worse than wanting a war. Apathy kills. |
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Tell it to the hand cause the face ain't listening |
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We're better off dead anyways. |
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Haha twice as good coming from Dougal. |
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bush is a fucking mo-mo - everyone knows that to start with second - americans want oil for their big cars and other bullshit that goes vroom - bushyfuck wants this war so his friends w/ their hands grasped firmly around oils cock waiting to suck will get some load in their mouths (or money in their pockets whichever) third - has the UN inspected our country lately? what about the crazy shit our country has for no reason? hmmmmm? lastly - the whole thing is bullshit brainwashing for the morons who watch CNN and go to starbucks - the middle age fucks of this country who wear dockers and think that a billy joel concert is "cool" - we're screwed everyone america is a fucking joke |
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Yeah... |
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Whatever :P |
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I don't care either, I just want some cookies. |
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well none of you nancies live in this country yippee |
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its hard when everyone laughs at you cause your dumb...and you know your dumb but no one around you changes ahhhhhhhhhhhhh - i think i wanna go to war w/ the US |
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theo where do you live in NYC? i was there two weeks ago for four days and spent $300 on vinyl record discs yay for visa |
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how do you know it "isn't true at all" that there are links between iraq and al-queda? the us gov. says so, so they must be lying? its propoganda (i agree, of course it is) but that doesn't mean it must be 100% lies bill hicks: iraq has certainly NOT "complied with every demand" and what do you mean no country on earth poses a threat to the U.S.? apparently, terrorist organizations that are supported by various governments do and yes, of course nobody poses a threat to the EXISTANCE of the US... nobodys claiming that theres a risk of the US being wiped off the face of the earth... that doesn't mean theres "no risk period", and no concern or issue do you people who have strong opinions on this topic ever bother to know both sides? do you bother to ALSO regularly check out journals/publications that AREN'T left wing anti american? maybe even ones that have a *gasp* right wing or pro american or even pro-war stance? im NOT saying they're right, but if youre not even acknowleging the other HALF of the information available on the issue (since non of us can personally inspect iraq, or are global defense analysts)... you would be putting your decision making at a huge disadvantage thats all it seems incredibly arrogant to base your entire opinion on ONE side's propoganda im not saying you ppl personally, i dont know any of you BUT: in my experience most ppl with strong opinions on the matter dont know wtf they're talking about, whether they're for or against any issue, especially one as emotionally charged as war im sick of hearing the same propoganda regurgitated again and again that you can find on the FIRST FUCKING PAGE of search results on yahoo how bout some debth, or bredth of info and ideas to support your strong opinion? how bout some constructive ideas instead of over-simplified, intellectually hollow generalizations like "americans want SUV maaaan! its all about oil maaaaaan!" or teh good old making fun of bush strategy "look how stupid he is! the entire |
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how bout some constructive ideas instead of over-simplified, intellectually hollow generalizations like "americans want SUV maaaan! its all about oil maaaaaan!" or teh good old making fun of bush strategy "look how stupid he is! the entire american defense establishment, plust the countless others, must all be as moronic as him!" ....what if you didn't happen to have such a stupid president? damn, that would be pretty inconvenient to the anti-american media wouldn't it... we all know that oil is very important to the US and oil companies are very powerful.... does that mean that threats from nations or groups associated witih oil must be PURELY fictional, any security concerns PURELY contrived propoganda?? of course they are! look how stupid bush is! people with loud opinions without knowing their shit just annoys me thats all..... even if they they HAPPEN to be right .....of course im not talking about you guys in particular, i hope i didn't sound that way |
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...but yeah, it would be nice if we weren't going to war, but i have a funny feeling its going to happen no matter what lol |
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you got it all wrong nice try though honestly, keep bitching maybe they will listen to you for now, just hush cause your opinion means ____ |
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ouch |
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"saddam has complied with every request that the UN have made." You're surely taking the piss? |
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hicks, i am sincerely interested: please ckeck all that apply: o the WTC I, II, & USS Cole bombings were conjured up by the US government to incite hstility towards the Arab world. o Saddam Hussein is not a dictator that invaded Kuwait (or was put up to it by the US. o The US. is actually an aggressor to numerous countries, killing thousands undocumented, because our press is really not free at all but run completely by the government. o Bush is on a holy quest to destroy Islam. o Democracy is a hoax that the common man is debilitated by-- we are all enslaved by rulers. o Our government and our people contribute money and supplies to impovershed countries only in order to overcome their people and strip them of their heritage. o America does not really allow immigrants into this country except to use for cheap labor. There really is no diversity, and various ideas are not accepted. o Our imagery of weaponry will ineviatbly be manipulated to bring truth to any claims they make. o Next to your piano, you have your own satelittes and reconnissance equipment monitoring 24 hours a day to surmise any threats to the world. i don't want to put words in your mouth. |
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I think the reason Bush hates Saddam so much is because they are very similar in their goals, objectives and personalities. Only difference is Saddam is more intelligent than Bush. |
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xian you are funny. not. where are you from? |
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"no country on earth poses a threat to the U.S.?" uh how bout that one time when 3000 people were killed when new york was attacked on sept. 11th... america has a right to defend it's self.... whats so great about saddam? the guy has been murdering his civilians for years... he is the one causing the sactions not the the us.... if he would just step down then his people would have much less suffereing yes there will be a war yes there will be civilian casualties.... when has there been a war without civilan casualties? never... just because you've got a latte, dsl and american idol..... that doesn't mean you can have a war with civilian causalites.. and finnally saddam is giving the families of all the sucide bombers in isreal money... this is reason alone to stop him |
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NYC, currently LA via virginia. sorry i couldn't get my humour up. should we get back to music? |
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uh how bout that one time when 3000 people were killed when new york was attacked on sept. 11th... oh yes, the al-queda organnisation was responsible, an organisation bankrolled by the US during the cold war, to drive the Russians out of Afghanistan, with the promise of helping to rebuild if they were successful. They did it, the US turned it's back. "whats so great about saddam? the guy has been murdering his civilians for years..." So you think it is about time that Bush had a go at murdering innocent civilians instead? "yes there will be a war yes there will be civilian casualties.... when has there been a war without civilan casualties? never... " It is not a war any more than the attack on the WTC can be classed as a war. It is an agressive attack by a hostile nation. "and finnally saddam is giving the families of all the sucide bombers in isreal money... this is reason alone to stop him" Why? Is it the families fault? And don't be foolish enough to think there haven't been US funded killings on foreign soil... |
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'So you think it is about time that Bush had a go at murdering innocent civilians instead?' what innocent civilian has he murdered? as much of a Donkey Bush might be, do you really think his drive is to kill Iraqi civilians? 'It is not a war any more than the attack on the WTC can be classed as a war. It is an agressive attack by a hostile nation.' you can call it what you want. we all have visions of a peaceful world, and are frustrated because it does not exist. remaining a threat is as much a burden as it is such a priviledge. 'And don't be foolish enough to think there haven't been US funded killings on foreign soil... ' it's possible-- can you tell us about any? then it's also possible these actions were done in stead of killing civilians. |
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Innocent civilians will die in the event of an attack on Iraq. I still don't think you can call it a war. The US stance isn't even accepted by the United Nations. The US are trying to bully support. If they want the oil they should just say they want the oil. None of this weapons of mass destruction shit when they aren't doing anything about Isreal or Korea, both more active risks than Iraq has been in the past decade. |
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Up until today I had been pretty much against going to war in Iraq, but have to admit I've been swayed the other way by Colin Powell. It seems there's lots of evidence saying that Iraq is hiding things. True, a lot of it seems circumstantial, but the volume of it is piling up. You have to look at the balance of probabilities. Is it more likely that Iraq's telling the truth and that all this evidence is made-up, incorrect, taken out of context etc, or is a regime with a long history of deception simply staying true to form? If Iraq has destroyed all these weapons, why are they no written records? Why are their no witnesses? Chemical weapons don't simply walk out into the desert and quietly self-destruct of their own accord... If Iraq is hiding them, it must want them really bad. The question is, what does it want them for? Do we wait until it uses them (again) before we do anything? Anyway, the debate about whether or not we go to war seems pretty much redundant now. Right or wrong, our troops will probably be going in soon enough and we should all be behind them. |
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heh, You could have applied that 'evidence' to the Pope opening up a string of mobile peadomobiles for Catholic priests to indulge themselves. |
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"if you want peace you must prepare for war" bush is taking this quote a bit too seriously |
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'Anyway, the debate about whether or not we go to war seems pretty much redundant now. Right or wrong, our troops will probably be going in soon enough and we should all be behind them. ' Blind faith is not the point. The point is you can argue it freely, and have a public opinion. I'm against military action. And public opinion is the only thing that's kept Rumsfeld and the cabinet from pushing on earlier. Personally, I think it's a step in the right direction that the UN has deliberated like this, however economically/ strategically-jaded they may be. It is unprecedented. Flag waving is crap. But idealism in of itself is just as futile. |
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why is this thread called "a cataclysmic flaw in logic"? |
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come on- you're steve mcqueen. play your part. |
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Either way people are going to die. Make love not war. |
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