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wow much respect indeed! How brave :-) I wonder how Bush is going to react to this? When you think about it, it would be ridiculous if this really made a difference for him (it'd be like saying western people are more important than the people from iraq)... but still i think he's not going to like it. He'd have to atleast have soldiers drag awayt those human shields before he could drop bombs |
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hm i don't think bush will give a damn if you think about the fact that he's sending his own countrymen to die there |
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the story on TV today showed another much older Maori lady joining in and going off to Baghdad...complete with a Moko(a traditional tatoo) on her chin.... it's great to see..a sense of justice and human dignity transcending age and race:) |
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i was listening to a guy that joined he said they will only protect civilists so bush can still bomb military targets... |
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in the new war my dear..American casualties are minimum to none..plenty of local rebels followed by allied canon fodder before a hair on a marine is singed.. |
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as i understand it, he will mostly be using longdistance bombs and radiographic controlled airplanes... ofcourse it is a war, the american soldiers are at risk. But for them it's probably a relatively risk-free war? |
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yeh hospitals..women and children etc.. |
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great minds thinking alike and all that:) |
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...ah yes... state of the art warfare bush would call it.... the saddest thing is that in the process of finding allies bush is tearing europe apart as well... but that's kinda off topic :) |
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exactly ;-) |
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he'll bomb the place before swiping it clean with them supermarines, i bet. |
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btw, are you in venlo right now? ;) |
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europe is tearing apart on its own |
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the super marines just come in for the snap shots and camera crews.. 3000 bombs are planned..cant see many civilians actually surviving that:( |
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You just know Bush really wants to go to war... the entire world is hoping those weapon-inspectors will find nothing, but when i look at president bush... you can just see it in his eyes that he's hoping they'll find some mass-destruction weapons somewhere. |
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NATO has become a bit of an Oxymoron now hasnt it..Eastern European nations it was created to destroy are now members.. |
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hehe :-p I wish ;-) Nah... i've got to stick to my not-buying-anymore-music-for-the-moment-policy. Must... be... strong... |
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yah that's why the socialist party here wants to quit nato... that would still be very controversial though |
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US is supposed to show the evidence of mass destruction weapons on wenesday |
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hehe me too, man... only the zwan album+single and draft 7.30 for me these coming months :) of ik moet de lotto winnen |
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wasn't it supposed to be evidence that they're hiding that stuff just before the inspectors visit? i would love to see pictures of those supposed nukes... |
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you read all of thatin his eyes?@_@ all I ever read is..What would daddy do?..I am not my daddy..there is W in my name..what am I doing here..I do hope they dont serve pretzels after this...I wish I was fishing...etc... |
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we are having a referendum about joining nato in march our governement is pretty affraid because apperantly people are against it and with this war coming-it doesnt look any better for them... |
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"I do hope they dont serve pretzels after this" lol!!!!!! :-p |
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i'd like to see what evidence they have to show... |
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I think the evidence consists of things such as satelite-photographs of trucks with suspiciously large ventilation-holes in them. Which means they could be carrying chemical weapons. Last thing i heard, they still haven't actually got even one picture that actually shows a missile or a bomb. |
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that sounds very scary..damned if you do and damned if you dont...wasnt there a plan for a Euro Defence Coalition superceding NATO?..whatever happend to that? |
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all of the evidence they will ever need can be created now at the drop of the had..it will either be off the HardDrives seized off AlQaeda in Afghanistan or from interrogation in Camp Xray.. it's a gift that will keep on giving and giving... |
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Bush will just see such people as the enemy. In any event, he can't be seen to not proceed because, as surrounded pointed out, he'd be criticised for acting as if westerners were more important. |
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well people that oppose nato here are talking something about this euro defence thing, but our politicians dont really care about that they really want us to join nato, and so far they didnt make any serious point in what are nato advantages its not looking good for us joining tho i'd like to see that happen and to see how our governament will react, since we are already invited to join :) |
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isn't slovenia strategic for the americans our allies? i bet your government can expect some dollars |
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yes I agree..right now Bush is offering unbelievable monetary incentives as carrots to sign up to NATO and support the War on Iraq |
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...and UN Council Members too. Over the last few days the US has agreed to blacklist three rebel Chechen groups, a long-standing request from Russia; approved $4.1m (£2.48m) for the resettlement of returnees to Angola; and approved an extra $2.1m for Liberian refugees hosted by Guinea, another council member. |
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strategic? in what way? when croatia joins nato we will be circled with nato countrys (except for austria) |
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it was a question really. maybe they figure every km closer to the middle east is worth a dime ;) |
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yeah, money is kind of important in this whole matter |
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yeah, could be but we have hungary on our east border and they're already in nato but as i understand we will have to buy weapons from nato and also pay some sort of membership money could be another answer :) |
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damn I was counting on that Russian Veto? |
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america bombs the shit out of Japan at the end of WW2... killing thousannds of civilians (the japs did the same in china) Japan now a major world player. Allies bomb the shit out of Germany end of WW2 killing thousands of civilians... germany economically strong now? Same for Iraq in a few years? Are Amerca seeing it in this global war context? interesting thought. (i do believe in diplomacy before dombs though AND japan and germany were ACTIVELY destroying their neighbours at the time too) |
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I think if people are daft enough to do something silly like that....then they'll die with the enemy. |
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"germany economically strong now" hm not a good example ;) |
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i know! i raid the loose-facts drawer all the time!... the point is there though, flower |
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:) |
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"were ACTIVELY destroying their neighbours" That's the whole point... when a country is actively doing bad things... THEN a war is justified (...maybee). But this whole concept of a "preventive war" is just ridiculous. |
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thats what i'm sayfumbling! |
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erm this whole hiroshima nuking business was a really outrageous act, unthinkable today and it should've been unthinkable back then. it is thought of much too lightly i think. too hush hush. |
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oh okay :-) I was a bit confused by your posts about the economical situations in germany and japan... like you meant bombings would be a good thing for iraq. Still... i fear these human shields will not have much effect :-/ I would be very surprised if there wasn't going to be a war in a few weeks time. Altough i strongly disagree with jedi chris, and absolutely do not find these people daft or silly... i do think he will be right. Bush won't hesitate to drop bombs on those human shields. Afterwards the media will portray them as traitors. |
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hmm, The yanks had already firebombed tokyo for months before the nuke and STILL the japs kept battling, invading, torturing. ''Drop one oustide of tokyo and show them'??..... none of the experts belived that would be enough to convince the japanese military who by this stage were on the verge of staging a coup against their own governemnet who wanted to end the war long before. Put it this way, the japs had 3 days after nuke 1 to surender and didn't... hense nuke 2 and then they surrendered Don't get me wrong.. i'm really into al things japanese but the guys were out of touch with reality at that stage..... nuking saved a mass invasion of the island by thousands of allies and the jap army had theior civilians so wound up and anti-allies that millions would have fought with bear hands to save their homel;and from invasion.. and died. its all real sad no matter what way you look at it. Nuke are shit but do balance things swiftly in one go. |
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