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When exactly was drum n' bass invented?
 

offline DaWeeze from WANTED IN 16 STATES! on 2003-01-18 22:27 [#00519495]
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Does anybody know who (or what) coined the term and what
music or musical acts laid down the foundation for this
genre of music?

Indulge me...

Thanks. :)


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-18 22:31 [#00519501]
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no intelligent individuals coin music genres... it's more
like a giant mass of sludgy consciousness mimics and drifts
toward Idm or happy hardcore or something.


 

offline DaWeeze from WANTED IN 16 STATES! on 2003-01-18 22:35 [#00519505]
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I realize that...but I can't express it in a form that will
confuse an already disoriented community...you know how
people are here...

I also take you don't have an answer?

;)


 

offline DaWeeze from WANTED IN 16 STATES! on 2003-01-18 22:35 [#00519506]
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will NOT confuse...

natch.

:P


 

offline wayout from the street of crocodiles on 2003-01-18 22:45 [#00519511]
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i think it sorta started when dj's like grooverider started
playing breakbeat records at the wrong speed, as to make
them faster in the early 90's.. there were tons of other
factors of course.. well, if you want to get really
technical.. "drum'n'bass" descended from jungle.. which was
sort of a mix of sped up dub and hip hop.. drum n bass is
what happened when nerdy white kids started making it.. it
was a bit harsher and colder sounding..and lacked the vocals
and dubbyness of jungle

im not too clear on specific artists involved though, sorry


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2003-01-18 22:48 [#00519513]
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I would think the radio stations and/or record labels made
up the term drum and bass, I dont really think any one
person invented the genra, more of a collective effort. I
think drum and bass came out from the rave scene in the
early 90's. Artists who pioneered the genra in my personal
opinion were: Fabio, Teddy Riley, Grooverider, The Prodigy,
Roni Size & Reprazent, Ed Rush and Optical

It definatly had something to do with Meat Beat Manifesto's
track 'Radio Babylon'

Or you could go even earlier and say it was inspired by The
Winstons or Lyn Collins with their famous amen and think
break which practically inspired the whole genra.


 

offline Diao from Olathe (United States) on 2003-01-18 23:17 [#00519533]
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Whenever Squarepusher came about.


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2003-01-18 23:47 [#00519547]
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oops, haha I almost forgot, afx and squarepusher had
something to do with early drum and bass's evolution! Luke
Vibert too definatly


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2003-01-18 23:55 [#00519554]
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And Goldie


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2003-01-18 23:56 [#00519556]
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And probubly a dozen others, but my brain hurts

MUST I R STOP TEH HURT!

*get hammer and smashes head repeatidly*


 

offline aron from saskatoon (Canada) on 2003-01-18 23:59 [#00519557]
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it started in the early 90s/late80s


 

offline revpersona from Plainfield (United States) on 2003-01-19 00:36 [#00519579]
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From what I've read, some big name producers have credited
Plaid with laying down some foundation in the genre.

More specificaly LTJ Bukem said that Plaid helped pioneer
DnB and what a major influence to him.


 

offline Pigfarmer from Ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-19 01:59 [#00519631]
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Its like the combination of Jungle in the ending 80ies,
early 90ies and hardcore. Most of the D&B Producers(f.e.:
Optical, Goldie..) came out of the hardcore scene.

Who wants to know anyway ? D&B has killed itself with a lack
of innovation.


 

offline FlyAgaric from the discovery (Africa) on 2003-01-19 03:27 [#00519668]
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Hell...I think even rdj had somethin to do with it? Not the
term, but the style.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-01-19 05:22 [#00519726]
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What happened was breakbeats started to come in as the old
hardcore scene was dying. Many people regard the first
genre defining track to be Helicopter by Deep Blue (an all
time classic :) ) to be the one the properly sparked the
scene.

The people in drum and bass from the beginning were the
likes of the people on Suburban Bass, Reinforced and Moving
Shadow.

So you got people like Spring Heel Jack, Doc Scott, Deep
Blue and loads of others. A lot of jump up tracks from the
likes of Micky Finn & Aphrodite, JB and the boys from Back
to Basics (Dead Dred), Dillinja, Photek...there are just too
many people. It was also a very introverted scene which is
why, personally, I have never classed Squarepusher, Luke
Vibert or RDJ as Drum and Bass artists, mainly because they
operated out of the scene and seemed to take the piss out of
it.

When RDJ did HAB he basically made almost everything ever
done with breakbeats up to that point instantly sound
ancient.


 

offline nacmat on 2003-01-19 05:29 [#00519734]
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I have:

goldie, 4hero, roni size, photek


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-01-19 05:35 [#00519746]
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Goldie was never one of the originators, by his own
admission. He was walking past a building when he jungle
playing and walked in becaue he liked it so much. It turned
out to be the reinforced studio, and it was with them he
made his Rufige Cru tracks Terminator and Manhunter.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-01-19 05:37 [#00519747]
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when he heard jungle that should have been. Besides I think
a lot of goldies output has been due to the people he has
worked with. I mean recently ,the difference between the
playford stuff and the optical stuff shows how much he
relies on the back room team behind him.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2003-01-19 05:49 [#00519766]
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surely art of noise had something to do with it :)


 

offline FlyAgaric from the discovery (Africa) on 2003-01-19 05:49 [#00519767]
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He's a pretty good dj though.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-01-19 05:54 [#00519774]
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Don't talk to me about DJing, I think it is one of the
easiest things in the world and that people get FAR too much
credit for doing it.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-01-19 05:55 [#00519776]
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I was meant to put a smiley in there :)


 

offline FlyAgaric from the discovery (Africa) on 2003-01-19 06:02 [#00519779]
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Fair enough yeah, to me a good dj is someone that finds good
tunes and makes my friday night enjoyable.


 

offline diablo on 2003-01-19 06:59 [#00519815]
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Jungle, Drum n Bass or whatever is basically hardcore...
rave infact. It was when the scene was being touted as "the
next big thing" that it went wrong. People were trying to
cross over, put vocals all over everything, or prove how
jazzy and experimental it was.

I mean fair enough some good music came out but it also kind
or interupted the natural progression of D&B. I think now
its gone back to basics again, which for me is good...


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-01-19 07:02 [#00519818]
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Yes, it did lose it's way because the media wanted it to be
what garage is now, and it was never going to happen.


 

offline Paco from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2003-01-19 07:10 [#00519821]
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A Guy Called Gerald.

-P


 

offline Cfern from Sacto (United States) on 2003-01-19 14:16 [#00520170]
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'94 was the year that drum and bass appeared to be a fully
different genre from the 'ardcore genre which it morphed out
of.. goldie released the first full length jungle cd.


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2003-01-19 14:36 [#00520193]
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"I think a lot of goldies output has been due to the people
he has worked with.."

Definatly

But he was definatly one of the pioneers of the genra IMO,
with some help of course

Drums and bass was definatly a collective effort. One person
didnt just come out a closet and bust it out and say: "Hey,
THIS is drum and bass"

I hate it when people call a genra "dead"

that is such bullshit

I like to think of it like this: There are loads of people
who can ice skate. Just because there are a lot of people
that do a bad job of it, doesnt mean that the sport is dead.
There are skaters like Michelle Quan who do it really well
and perform it beautifully. People can still do a with the
sport

I think this same concept can apply to music as well, more
specifically "IDM"/glitch/experimental and drum and bass
music. There is so many different ways to go about doing it


 

offline Mickey Mouse from The Moon on 2003-01-19 14:38 [#00520195]
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*cough*

"People can still do a with the sport "

People can still do many things with the sport

*cough*


 

offline hepburnenthorpe from sydney (Australia) on 2003-01-19 15:53 [#00520259]
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history of dnb


 


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