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Ever hit Randomize drum pattern in REASON ? I just did, and REASON created a WICKED drum loop, I could never come up myself..........it only need a bit tweaking and FX proceessing, and there you go, INSTA Autechre !!!! What do you think, how many IDM musicians use the RANDOMIZE Button, to create those fantastic complicated Percussion Loops !? Do you consider this cheating..... |
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I thought that's what they all did. You mean they actually sit there and arrange these sounds to come out the way they do? I have a whole new respect for them! |
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Consider it "experimenting" :) |
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yes... |
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randomize button=not hardcore ;) |
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.....oh....so everyone does it....or what.....you can make some really wicked things with it....LOL... |
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I think it is cheating, its letting a machine blatently do all the work for you, which IMO is lazy and not fun.... so yes I would agree with aron, randomize button = not hardcore |
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But.....no one will ever find out......and its not completley cheating, I mean you still have to tweak some of the sounds |
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This thread might go on for a while.... What about using Presets? |
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electronic dance music is in no way complex |
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Burroughs used to do this with text, but sometimes he didn't edit it enough. Randomizing shit is a good inspiration for any art. It's where you take it from there that separates the men from the boys. |
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I never have randomized anything in my songs. And I know SOME people wouldnt know, but if I even tried to use the randomize button I would feel like a cheater, and I bet you a dollar I could tell if the beat was randomized or not ;*) I have ears for that kind of thing. I dont know, I have been drum programming for a long time now, so its not that hard for me to come up with stuff, maybe for a begginer or someone starting out, to learn, or experiment, but other then that I think its just being being a pussy. This is ALL just IMHO though, please dont take it personally. |
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hahhaha, dont even get me started on the presets princo! hahahha I could go off for days talking about how I feel about that. ;*) |
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heh |
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Well I suspct lots of IDM Artist to work this way........they just wont admit it... |
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I never use the randomize button, I'm a control freak and don't like giving the tool I'm using more power than myself. amen. But I don't look down on those that do, I think it can be inspirational at times, I've even gotten some ideas from fooling with it. |
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unless youre literally controlling every aspect of the sound youre producing, then theres still some "randomisation" in your tunes |
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true true.... |
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"unless youre literally controlling every aspect of the sound youre producing, then theres still some "randomisation" in your tunes " it really depends on what kind of stuff your producing. Because if your dealing with the digital format, and virtual studio's ... ah nevermind.. too tired to type... *passes out asleep* |
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Thats how Im gunna werk from now on |
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controlled chaos is fine, if that's possible.. you introduce randomness into your personalized context. that's why Ae made the point that their music has an element of randomness, but it's not like they weren't in control of it since they are the ones who programmed the algorithms and generative processes in the first place. In that way, they were still obviously the artists since they dictated and orchestrated the material to flow from the 'random' selection process. similarly, if you hit the random button in reason, I'd say it's ok as long as you know why and where you're doing it, and if you are truly orchestrating its output. |
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I don't really use random coz I sort of usually have an idea of what i'm doing, and randomizing pitch doesnt stick to chords etc etc and random drums don't stick to the loose drum rules. As for presets, I use presets on VST plugins all the time (the chorus one on the FL flanger is really good, for example) and on some synths. I don't mind it, as long as it doesn't sound too presetty. On the 3XOSC, I never use rpesets, though, mostly coz I knwo how it soudsn and what everythgin does well enough not to need to, but with thnigs liek the simsynth add on and the WASP one, I do mostly (when I use them). But most of my shiz sounds faaairly presetty anyway |
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wasnt too long ago when even using computers,samplers and sequencers to laydown parts was considered cheating. I use randomizers on rare occassions for my hihats...but the ones I use on Fruity Loops only randomizes the Octave in which the note is played...so the progression and the key is still yours.. |
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Is this REASON a good program, worth buying? |
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let me hear your patterns :) upload a mp3 for us .. |
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Dunno about in reason, but in floops it's not actually totally random- you set ranges of various parameters of the randomness, pitch, number of octaves range, which parameters like vol and panning to effect etc. Then when you combine the fact that you probably hit randomise 5-10 times to get something good, then you tweak it- it's not that different to just randomly hitting a real drum kit and saying: wait that bit sounded good, I'll repeat that and add a hi hat... yes that sounds pretty cool. I'll use that. I tend not to use it much and I always tweak it afterwards... melodies it generates are gash, but it's okay for drums. I tend to randominse one drum then build the rest of the drums around that one. |
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I hardly ever use presets on plugins.. those mostly create boring sounds.. |
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Yes, the only thing I think I've used a preset on is absynth. |
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Here are 2 randomized unedited REASON loops.... (right click to dload) |
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when I am new to a plugin/synth..I use the presets as a launching pad to tweak and manipulate..once I am familiar enough I let loose and do my own parameters from scratch |
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I hardly ever use randomize functions. Arpeggiators are NOT DONE for me. Its a miracle when I actually use an LFO to tweak the filter instead of manually. what I do a lot is reversing midi patterns and modify them until them sound right. |
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