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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-08 23:14 [#00384473]
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ok heads up pop quiz for ya:
why did humans evolve the ability to listen to/appreciate music/look at art/read literature?
must be a reason... anybody read anything relevant? fucking weird mystical shit i reckon :)
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-08 23:15 [#00384475]
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Probably stems from cavemen drawings/beating out drum beats on their congos... if they had congos
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-08 23:18 [#00384479]
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but why? its weird isnt it? like are we like peacocks showing off our tails cos its gonna get us a fuck, or a we like those monkeys who get mental kicks out of doing paintings?
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diablo
on 2002-09-08 23:24 [#00384486]
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Part of being human, knowledge of self and questioning the world, & expression of our place in it. Innit.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2002-09-08 23:25 [#00384487]
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art brings forth emotions. I think the better question is to ask: Why do humans have emotions, where as a fish doesnt (at least I'm guessing fish dont have emotions)
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-08 23:32 [#00384492]
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we must have evolved emotions for some reason aswell though, dntyareckon? I think my goldfish has emotions but really simple ones like "i'm gonna get fed.." etc. perhaps when we crawled out of the oceans we started with these but kept on getting bigger and better feelings (ones which use more neurons) as 'survival of the fittest' depicts... the stronger must have been those more emotionally sensitve. Whhhhich... kinda brings me back to my original point, why did 'art' get more and more advanced throughout the ages? unless it was evolving in the same way as biogological organisms then it could not possibly have progressed, so that indicates that there is indeed an objective way of evaulating art etc... it aint just purely subjective like all you dreamers hope. Hmmm. I'm gonna go watch 'league of gentlemen' in a minute and get blazed
:)
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xlr
from Boston (United States) on 2002-09-08 23:34 [#00384494]
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the higher level of intelligence that evolved in humans allowed them freedom to express themselves, create, and communicate. Art is communication.
They probalby started appreciating it because it gave them something to do besides hunt stuff and run from scary predators, etc.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-09-08 23:36 [#00384496]
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It's because we're curious creatures, we never stop playing and exploring. It's just a characteristic nature gave us as a side-effect of high intelligence
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-08 23:36 [#00384497]
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i reckon from now on my motto is gonna be "EAT FUCK PLAY". Might get some teeshirts pressed up :)
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2002-09-08 23:39 [#00384501]
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Art thrives off creativity. Back in the day, cavemen could only do so much. They tried to draw animals that they saw and the people around them. As cavemen got smarter the drawing become more detailed and more advanced. They learned that there are many different ways to draw a 'person' or a 'buffalo'. There is no single 'correct' way to draw an object. Thus depending on how you depicted stuff you created your own style. If others liked your style and they drew in a way similar to yours a category of art is born. IE: expressionism, abstract, etc.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2002-09-08 23:39 [#00384502]
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did that make sense?
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-08 23:44 [#00384505]
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kinda :) but we're getting into all subsets and divisions and things which are based in language - if it weren't for language we wouldnt divide things into objects at all and your expressionism would approached in much the same way as abstract stuff. OOOH my god so many questions, so many different lines of enquiry and only, like, five minutes until a tv program comes on that i want to watch :)
carry on. I'll check back tomo and see if any of you musos on here have got a answer :)
peeees.
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Desdemona
from Lake Mendota on 2002-09-09 00:47 [#00384575]
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Anyone able to sum that up on a message board would be amazing. My entire study track is focused on the comparative evolution of arts and literature, and I've read mounds of books and essays trying to answer that question. It's a huge one. Most theories start with explaining that a living being can only progress into artistic expression when they've developed a way to sustain themselves without constant effort and alertness being necessary. A species always fighting to survive and only involved in finding food and shelter won't have time to develoup art, whereas a species evolved enough to throw dinner from the fridge to the oven has time to sit at the computer and make songs. In its beginnings art came into being because there was time for it. (similar situation for most political ideas, religion, feminism, architecture, cooking, etc.) It goes on from there. Whether its beauty is a matter of increasingly refined intelligence or divine inspiration depends on who
you're asking. (Was that dull or what?)
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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-09 00:48 [#00384576]
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Music was used to show emotions,and still is. Scientificly its something to do with hairs in the inner ear,or something like that.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-09-09 00:49 [#00384577]
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I think you mean bongo's.
or a large number of small Belgian colonies in Africa.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-09 00:58 [#00384583]
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some art appeals to people by allowing them to go places they could never go, be someone they could never be, doing things you can never do. (ex. doom2 hits every category) There's also a "fun" mental game creating stuff, based on logical associations of parts, dividing complex problems into simpler parts etc. Fun is abstract, hard to pinpoint in definition.
why did 'art' get more and more advanced throughout the ages?
because of culture? culture is mostly unique to humans on our planet. it can accumulate and become more advanced because an individual does not have to repeat the same mistakes if he views the work of his predecessors, or competitors in his field (see what succeeds and what fails). written language lasts until someone burns all the books
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