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does anyone know what they use, or where i can find a place that knows? thanks for the help |
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Lots of stuff, mainly two SH-101's. |
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where do you get info like that? |
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core---joyrex and phobiazero know more in their pinky fingers than most of us know in our whole body |
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sh101s eh? know anything else? |
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I heard that they mainly use a bunch of old analog gear [obviously], that they sometimes sample old synth music and that they run most of their samples through analogue tape. I also heard that as of late they do all of their sequencing in Fruity Loops. Of course, this could all be bullshit; this is just what I heard and it seems to make sense. |
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i have also heard them mention in interviews that they have used old analogue equipment for example: recording something over itself on tape several times to get a certain effect (correct me if im wrong here) |
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Im sure they dont use many hardware these day.........besides what can you do with a shitty SH101 !? Its pretty limited |
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heh...you'd be surprised... I mean, the TB303 is one of the most sonically limited electronic instruments out there, but listen to all the stuff people have cranked out with it.... and I think you're right AMinal. |
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Yeah but the TB303 has an unique sound, while the SH101 sounds just weak.........imho |
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im tired of the 303 it gets old to me... i mean, it was so overkilled in techno |
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yeah the 303 is pretty much dead. I was just using it as an example. it's a matter of opinion. some people, myself included, like working with gear that has limitations like that because it forces you to try to get the most out of it, rather than going through assloads of menus so that you get exactly the sound you want. |
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101 has more powerful filters than 303 Trust me |
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i reckon they used 101's on Kaini Industries and perhaps at the end of Sixtyten |
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I think they used it all over the place on MHTRTC... |
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The 101 is an integral part of the 'boc sound'...that and shitty cassette decks, reel-to-reels, microphones and such. They run their stuff through so many filters (digital and analogue) that it's hard if not impossible to tell what the source sound originally sounded like. |
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here, if u missed this HMV.com: I realize you're not about to go in-depth about your setup, but in general terms: what does your working environment look like? Do you get these sounds with modern gear or older, analog equipment? How big a role do computers play? Mike: It's a mix of old and new technology. About half of our kit is old gnarly broken gear, and the other half is pretty new stuff. We have a lot of cheap instruments, it's like a junkshop. The best way I'd describe it is that our sound sources are almost always something like a real instrument or an analog synth, and our recording techniques and processes are a bit unorthodox. We don't like using digital things or computer effects so we get sounds by doing things like running whole parts through a really bad tape recorder or something like that. Like the intro on 'Julie and Candy' for example, we just played the melody on a couple of whistles and then we bounced it back and forward between the internal mics of two tape-decks until the sound started disappearing into hell. Like when you look at an image reflected within two mirrors forever, in the distance it gets darker and greener and murkier. We record a lot of live stuff, just for fun, most of what we record hasn't been released. We tend to break equipment frequently. We'd probably make professional studio engineers weep if they saw us working. And some of our electronic tracks are not sequenced, we just put them down as samples onto multi-track tape, because it can sound more real and characteristic. We use a hardware sequencer for arranging but it has incredible glitches at the end of every pattern of music, which is interesting up to a point. We usually only use computers for accurate sequencing now, you know, German timing. |
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afx has used a sh101.... and btw, they're are not limited :) the only thing that is limited is the mind. |
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various discussions on WarpComm seemed to conclude that they used PPG Wave synths. i dunno if this is true... they record their own drums as well. |
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SH-101 doesn't have patch storage, which in my opinion, makes it pretty limited. |
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no, that just means you have to use your memory and your hands. :) |
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Haha, it's not that easy man. I've got a juno 60 and and some of the patches I've made on it, I could never remember all the steps I went through to make them. To design the sounds, you have to tweek the sliders and knobs and once you have a sound set a certain way, you can store it. It's very possible to make sounds, and then never be able to make them again. |
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true, but I think that would add an element of chance to programming, because when you try to recreate your old patches, you have to use your intuition and yeah, it will never sound the same twice. definitely limiting in some ways, but expanding in others. of course, I've been seeing things I previously saw as big disadvantages as advantages lately. |
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Well it's just that for me, I've made some tones that I really like, and I can't imagine how disappointing it would be to say "cool, I've got this neat sound... but I have no way to come back to it.' On the other hand, I totally see where you're coming from. I've made some interesting things out of trying to recreate patches that I forgot to store (dammit). So yeah, there's some good from it. |
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yeah, I really hate that, especially when it's so good it's become part of the composition. that's happened to me many times. on the other hand, I've heard of analog addicts using polaroid cameras for patch storage :) |
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Polaroid? What the fuck? Interesting. =) |
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Thanks tolstoy, wery informative =) =) |
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no problem one of guys posted link to this interview yesterday, i think |
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i have a juno 60 as well... however, i do not have the little tape machine that can store the patches... where did you get yours at? i have looked at ebay.com... but i have no money. are they even worth it? |
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the ms-20 rules all :) |
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i think im too much of a perfectionist/control freak when it comes to my music... i could never deal with not being able to save the exact sound i created, and wanted |
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I like the analouge-digital stuff. Sounds like analouge, but has a Compact Flash card slot so you can store a buttload of mods on it. |
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what are you referring to, kenratboy? |
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Well, I'm not a music expert, but couldn't you have a line-out of your SH-101 to a record deck so you can catch any sounds you make on accident? Universal Indicator Green uses heavy SH-101 sounds. |
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i use a banana peel, a coffe can, and your grandma's dentures for all of my wurks. |
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Hmmm. Monoid posts like a normal person and Joyrex hasn't gotten his hate on yet. People actually used to discuss gear here. |
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I haven't a clue, but I'd say they were big fans of their analogue equipment in general and LOTS and LOTS of TAPES. |
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I thought this was a miraculously kind and sensible new thread for xltronic, but then I looked at the date. |
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Yeah, a nice blast from the past. : ) |
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I figured out a quick way to skim through someones previous posts, so then I went back to when Monoid was more than a troll account. |
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I have a 101 and I have loads of photocopies of the blank patch setting diagrams from the manual, which I use to record patch settings to. As others have said, you rarely get something that sounds "very very close" to the original sound when recreating it, nevermind indistinguishable by ear. The reason being, any one parameter being a tiny bit out might change the sound noticeably (but it will still be close), but when there are over a dozen sliders to be tweaked, a slight difference in each one can wind up making a large difference overall. I love the 101, but I'd love one with patch dumping even more. As joyrex says, you can record sounds off it, but multisampling it each time would be a real pain. Oh and the reason people used to use polaroids was just that they were the only instant cameras available. You can use digital cameras these days to get a good idea of a patch (and no, you won't be able to hear the digital in your music :-P ) |
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