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ok, so this is a major concern i have... as a musician. hypothetical situation: i write music and get signed to warp records. i dont make much money, just because IDM isnt a money making genre. i am dirt poor. i get asked to have my song either in a movie or a commerical. i say ok, cause i really need the money to live. is this "selling out" some times i think people take the term selling out too seriously. id hate to think if i was hungry, and had to eat etc, and so i let someone use my song, that my fans would be mad and look down upon it. fans have all these ideals, but its easy for them, because they arent the musician that has to live up to them. in my mind, a sellout is someone that makes music they dont like, for money. or is just a pawn of the record company (*cough*britneyspears*cough*) seriously, i know alot of people would call me a sell out if i were do that. thoughts? comments? |
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hell no. get yours. if people hate on you because you can now make a dollar or two doing what you love then they are jealous. screw em. i dream of the day i can write music for a living. |
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selling out= changing your music and comprimising your principals to make money |
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example: somewhere on these messege boards, there was a topic aout BoC having there music in a car commerical, and everyone was like "oh my god are they mainstrean now?!" |
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as far as I'm concerned if you write the music being true to yourself and all that, then whatever you do after that is fair game... Me personally, well I wouldn't licesnse my songs to every single company I was asked to like Moby, because then people would just get sick of the stuff... but to one or two maybe, definitely... hey, it's good advertising for your song, and it'll help pay the bills... I mean, it's not like you wrote the song for advertisements now is it? |
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why are certain words underlined? is it just me? check it out make song money movie music |
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you pay for stuff on a date, but you aren't a john, you earn money from your music, but you aint a whore: do it as long as you are not being gratuitous... |
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yes, if you change your music to be popular, or for advertising then that is selling out... being true to yourself is not... if you're true to yourself when you write the song, if you then license it out to companies, how is that selling out? |
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wow, of course right when i wrote that all the underlines when away. i'm tweaking. they were orange :/ |
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im glad there are some people that understand :) ive just been thinking alot about the future lately. Im still attending music school... and got 4 years left.... but i keep thinking writting music i love is my dream... but unfortuanlty the music i love (IDM (bad word i know)) isnt a money making kind of profession i want to have a wife and family... i need money somehow... but i dont want to be know as the "sellout" |
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As long as you are true to youself,you're not selling out ...like roygbivcore already said. |
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:) good to know guys! :) |
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:) weakling child was written for orange before RDJ album... |
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orange? |
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orange, the telephone company? |
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weakling child is one of my favorite afx songs! |
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If those advertising giants come a knockin', you will fucking accept their offers, or be foolish not to. I heard ''4'' on an anti-drug commercial, but that doesn't change the fact that the track is pure mindbending creativity at its best. Now... if you're like Moby, and you start doing shit like ''We Are All Made of Stars'', THAT'S when the words ''sell'' and ''out'' fit together quite nicely. |
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I agree on moby. with '18' he just made a copy of 'play',because that album was so succesfull. I expected some more creativity from him. I expected something new,something we haven't heard before. |
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yeah i loved play but i was so disappointed in 18 only listened to it a few times the first time and then again, just out of denial that it was bad... trying to like it... but i dont its bad |
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yea 4 is on an anti drug commerical , you can dl it off kazza " my anti drug is my future " |
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I think the prodigy are sell-outs too. ...Or do they just suck? |
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hmmm hard to say... i kinda think what they did with fat of the land wasnt selling out. they went in a direction ive never heard before. rockstyle techno. but i dont know... |
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yeah, he wrote it for orange, but i don't give a shit, it is still wicked: he got a bit of a slagging in the press sayin bout aphex airlines and weakling child, but then it also pointed out his support of the nhs by refusing BUPA (a private healthcare company) his music for ads, which shows principles... |
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Signing a record deal isnt selling out, but making music simply for the money is. You have to make music because you love to make music. |
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but they are rip-off artists: the made loads off firestarter which was basically a meatbeat manifesto track: then the sold out by selling it to everyone: also all the appearences on soundtracks for duff films... spawn anyone? |
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hmmm.... |
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Fat of the land was still ok,but not as good anymore as their older work. I mean their new album . It isn't released yet,is it? Has someone heard it yet? I heard it on their concert last year,and it just wasn't the same anymore... It sounded like they lost their talent somewhere. =( |
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<------sorry by they i mean the prodigy |
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Were they on the spawn soundtrack? omg! What a joke!!! *bursts out in a long loud lough* =)))) |
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i'm not afraid to admit that if i'm offered enough fuckin dough, i'm "selling out"! as long as i'm not doing anything degrading and slandering my own name, i'll do a little selling out. i think if you sell out in the beginning of the game, you get a chance later when you're well-known to put out the kind of music you really want to do. |
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from what I have seen, selling out is usually some form of greed. |
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well, i wouldn't mind that cash, even if it means i am greedy. i mean, right now i am broke, i have $20, 000+ in school loans to pay off,,, and i could sure use it. |
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I had this huge discussion with roomy not a few months ago. A favorite band of mine, who I truely respect as doing their own thing and just loving life, actually had one of their songs used in a McDonald's commercial. Now, they wrote the entire album way before, and were approached after the song had been heard on the radio a tiny bit, and I thought it was great for them. They don't get much recognition and here they can make some money off of music that they love to create. He called it selling out. We yelled a bit, but I was happy for the guys, and I will always say the same as people here. If you make music for the love of it, and make your own, more power too you if Toyota wants to give you a sack of money to play your song. When you change for money though, you have in the most simplest form of the word "Sold-out" to another form of expression, and that don't fly. The band btw was Better Than Ezra. |
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i too had a discussion with my roomy who is realy my brother who just has his room next to mine. and i was saying i like peole who dont try to just make money and sell out and he's all "isent making lots of money and becoming really famous what music is all about" i would of punched him if he cloudent kick the shit out of me |
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too me, selling-out would be giving your music in the TOP 40 (Like the real Top 40, radio, modern day music sutff) industry, that's what I think. |
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i dont think that making money and being famous is what music is all about,,, but dammit!!!, i DO want the f**kin money! and anyone who says they don't want to make money of of their music is a damn liar. i can think of nothing better than making tunes, and getting paid for it. even if i have to do a bit of the old "sell out, sell out" |
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"selling out," in slang, has a double meaning...one good, and aceptiable, and one that's bad. Good: making music to sell. bad: to quote this gay robo-member who's name i can't ever spell: "selling out= changing your music and comprimising your principals to make money" now if you think of selling out in the corporate since, selling out is letting a company take over, and changing what all they deem nessiccary to create sales, musicaly, this translates to the second defination. now there are ppl that are a little shady, but i hope to shed some lite on...like moby. I feel that he is definatly a sell out in the bad sence, taking in account his sounds evolution. No, a coporation (or label in this example) didn't physically come to him and dictated what he needed to change to sell, but in a since they did. They influenced his music via popular mediums, and didn't have to come over to his house for some bannana pancakes and talk things over. He is the worst sell out...he wasn't blindly manipulated...he sacrificed himself. killing his art by writing music intentionaly aimed for comercials, and movie promos. in the past he wrote a few decent sounding movie scores...but i do feel his intenst on those were even misplaced, but i can never know for sure becasue i don't know the man; i'm just judging off of interviews, and their reflections from his music. |
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if i was a professional artist id have a day job as well, something easy to bring in the pennies like flippin burgers (the money from that and my music combined would be enough for me) and i wouldnt tell anyone at mcdonalds (or wherever) that i do idm, ill keep the jobs seperate, and if anyone asks what my job was id just say 'i work at mcdonalds.....ill stay underground so i wouldnt have to do commercials |
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What about when you are older and want to have a family or property? working in McD's can't support this. making music and making money are not easy |
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darn i thought my plan was perfect..... ok then i will get a better job than mcdonalds...one with promotion possibilitys |
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nice points nanotech,,, |
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none of this is oakenfold selling out level |
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Oakenfold isn't selling out. . . he's always been cheesy, but now he's just going in different directions, that's all. He's being a crusader in the attempt at BRINGING ELECTRONICA TO THE MASSES by having singers like Nelly Furtado on his next album. |
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So many people confuse "selling out" with popularity |
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"Oakenfold isn't selling out. . . he's always been cheesy" lmao,,, that's funny, deathsmith!!! good call. |
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lol |
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help me sell out! or shit, even get a gig:( |
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Thank god Zeus kept the cod "soundtrack for an imaginary film" thing strictly underground as I can't imagine being able to look down on him any further than I am already or he might disappear. |
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roygbivcore is correct. I think the only problem is after this first whiff of success, when you think, "Hey, I got £50K for my music to be used in that advert!" and then you might be tempted (almost at a subconcious level) to try to make more popular music, or even just music that sounds like the track you managed to sell. I think selling out is most accurately defined as making music with the intention of it being marketable/sellable, as opposed to just music you love and happen to sell almost as a by-product. As smyrma says, don't confuse popularity with selling out. |
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hey thanks, that was really easy! i´m now officially sold out! be seeing you in my |
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