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artemis
from Ghent (Belgium) on 2002-06-12 17:26 [#00262449]
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What is your opinion about this. IDM = Intelligent Dance Music. It suggests that other styles are not so intelligent. A lot of IDM is not danceable.
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skodt
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-12 17:29 [#00262456]
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it's the silliest tag i have ever heard, and i am mildly unfond of making music umder that name.
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-06-12 17:30 [#00262457]
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i actually like it, and so does rephlex.com
intelligent dance music
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artemis
from Ghent (Belgium) on 2002-06-12 17:34 [#00262461]
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Is AFX=IDM? It's pretty hard to dance on a lot of his songs
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-06-12 17:41 [#00262472]
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that's where the intelligence angle enters
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skodt
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-12 17:46 [#00262478]
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i thinkk they should call it ISM for intelligent swank musik! and then it can be a part of that glorious world of ism's! yeah fun!
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artemis
from Ghent (Belgium) on 2002-06-12 17:48 [#00262481]
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In 92, when the music had attention in the underground scene it was just called techno. In 10 years time i have heard at least 35 names for this kind of music. I can't remember when i have heard the first time of IDM, it is probably a new name.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-06-12 17:51 [#00262484]
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IWM - intelligent wank music -- that's what most of the losers on this board jack off to ;) (especially the_funkmaster!!! and b3n!!!)
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Fotinos nous
from ATHINA (Greece) on 2002-06-12 18:02 [#00262488]
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IDM = Intelligent , drum , machines
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-12 18:13 [#00262498]
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i perfer to call it "experimental electronic music"
thats what i always refer to it as when describe to people what i like.
EEM
yeah boooyyyya
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-06-12 18:20 [#00262508]
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I agree with Zeus. It's experimental
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-12 18:22 [#00262513]
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o no not again
:(
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-06-12 18:24 [#00262519]
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It has started Pachi....RUN
RUUUUUUUNNN!!!!!!
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Deathsmith
from Brussels (Belgium) on 2002-06-12 18:25 [#00262520]
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If you think about it. . . intelligent dance music IS a lot more intelligent than your average shallow dance music.
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corngrower
from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2002-06-12 21:13 [#00262925]
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I go by the term our local underground music store goes by, 'abstract electronic music'
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the_crier
from The Town Of No Cheer (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-12 21:36 [#00262989]
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i tend to list a million and two things when i describe it to people who dont know what i mean.
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the_crier
from The Town Of No Cheer (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-12 21:38 [#00262999]
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and in my local shop number 1 there is no good bands.
and in my local shop number 2 its under "dance"
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Smyrma
from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2002-06-12 22:08 [#00263069]
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I think of dance as dumb rave stuff with pounding 4/4 basslines. I like Experimental Electronic Music (EEM).. Nice ring to it
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-12 22:10 [#00263075]
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agreed :)
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astrid-gil-botn
from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-12 22:12 [#00263079]
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rephlex hate it - from their site: it's not "intelligent", it's not "dance", it's not "music" it's so much more... it's "braindance"
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-06-12 22:16 [#00263083]
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doesn't braindance involve the word DANCE?
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astrid-gil-botn
from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-12 22:16 [#00263084]
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dumb rave may not be "dumb" rave - there is a hell of a lot you can do with a four 4 rhythmn-- ifit wsn't for acid house etc there would be no warp records orrephlex and that - extremley creative dance music - l
there is an awful lot of run of the mill middle of the road uncreative "idm" - genres are irrelevant
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astrid-gil-botn
from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-12 22:17 [#00263085]
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yeah but none of that intelligent "we are superior" shit - braindance is a welll stupid word and the logo is ridiculous as well - it's pretty lighthearted i reckin
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Smyrma
from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2002-06-12 22:21 [#00263087]
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I wasn't saying all rave is dumb or dismissing anything with a 4/4 time signature.. I was just saying what the term "dance music" brings to my mind.
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-06-12 22:22 [#00263088]
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Impressive Danish Movies
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-06-12 22:25 [#00263093]
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Irritating Dancing Monkeys
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license
from out of nowhere on 2002-06-12 22:34 [#00263099]
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"EEM" reminds me of "EMO". I'm not so fond of emo. but it pisses me off when my friends call what I listen to "techno" or "electronica".
I call the music I listen to usually by the artist's name, or by what the artist seems to be going for like if it's minimalistic or dubby or kind of nostalgic or whatever.
I also call it "skronk", "experimental", "arty", "abstract", and when I'm feeling corny, "futuristic". depends on my mood.
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eric_hard_jams
on 2002-06-12 22:45 [#00263106]
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i prefer the term "22nd century space jazz-funk"
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-12 22:59 [#00263117]
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i wasnt thinking of pronouncing it as Eem
but just say the letters
E-E-M
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nacmat
on 2002-06-12 23:36 [#00263156]
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we are always discussing about this... back in the old days some label decided to call it IDM... and it can be a right or wrong term...but its the term we all use sice then, I will find it a bit ridiculous to change name at this time...
besides I dont like the name...but...
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skodt
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-12 23:43 [#00263170]
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categories are for music shops, let's just call it music, shall we?
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-06-12 23:47 [#00263177]
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idiosyncratic diversifying molestation
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-06-12 23:52 [#00263183]
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I can understand how it's arrogent and all... calling your music intelligent is pretty stupid... but, I don't understand why a group like Autechre are considered intelligent DANCE music... IDM to me makes more sense for a group like Orbital or something... their music is dancey, and is intelligent, and what not... I dunno, I'm gonna shut-up now...
but it is a stupid name!!
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Smyrma
from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2002-06-12 23:54 [#00263191]
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Impressive Divebomb Mechanism
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Thelonious Punk
from *fap fap fap* on 2002-06-12 23:59 [#00263199]
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They should call it "Dorssic"- Dork, classical music. RAWK!
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-06-13 00:12 [#00263227]
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The ''intelligent'' part suits this music... although it IS a bit arrogant to blatantly use that word in the frickin' genre name...
The dance part... ick. You can dance to ANY music. Hell, a lot of this stuff is a much harder (if not impossible) to dance to than most music...
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Thelonious Punk
from *fap fap fap* on 2002-06-13 00:16 [#00263235]
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*bjorks himself* Well.. That's true. A bit condescending to the other genres, don't you think? As if the "rock" mentality wasn't enough, now you have whole GENRES talking down to each other. Stupid, young, impressionable music reviewers. *mumblemumblemumble*
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japes
from Suriname on 2002-06-13 00:21 [#00263242]
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I don't mind IDM. So far I've heard it called:
IDM Braindance Armchair Techno Drill'n'Bass Fungle Spunk Jazz Experimental Electro
Any others?
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-06-13 00:25 [#00263251]
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When I talk about what music I'm into, I DON'T say IDM... I always say electronic music.
Which, unfortunately, makes people think of rave music... genres are so... agh. Like it or not, they exist...
Only two kinds of music to me. Good/bad... the genre thing just makes it tough to discuss things with people sometimes. Far as I'm concerned, The Beatles and Autechre are ''good music'', Blink 182 and Eminem are ''bad music.'' :-]
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Thelonious Punk
from *fap fap fap* on 2002-06-13 00:25 [#00263252]
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What about electronica?!?!?
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Thelonious Punk
from *fap fap fap* on 2002-06-13 00:26 [#00263254]
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Braindance? ARGH! Weird.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-06-13 01:12 [#00263314]
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I refer to it IDM here because I know you all would know what that refers to... however I would never use IDM to anyone who's not into electronic music...
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eric_hard_jams
on 2002-06-13 01:16 [#00263318]
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internal dick magnifier
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nacmat
on 2002-06-13 01:44 [#00263331]
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ophecks do you mind if I use your exact words?:
When I talk about what music I'm into, I DON'T say IDM... I
always say electronic music.
Which, unfortunately, makes people think of rave music... (I know that)
genres are so... agh. Like it or not, they exist... (how true my friend)
Only two kinds of music to me. Good/bad... the genre thing just makes it tough to discuss things with people sometimes.
Far as I'm concerned, The Beatles and Autechre are ''good music'', Blink 182 and Eminem are ''bad music.'' :-] (yes yes yes)
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Zombiekev
from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-06-13 01:53 [#00263341]
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greatest idm album =
crunch 1
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nacmat
on 2002-06-13 01:55 [#00263343]
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what does your name mean zombiekev? I dont remeber if you already explained that... but I would like to know
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-06-13 01:56 [#00263346]
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hmmm, actually I find genres make it easier to discuss music... I think you do need genres to a certain extent, I mean it just doesn't make much sense to say to someone that Aphex Twin and The Beatles are both music, it is, but it doesn't really show the difference...
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-06-13 01:58 [#00263347]
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but, I do think there are way too many genres now... I remember we had a discussion here about all the cores, beatcore, speedcore, blah blah blah... it seems there is a genre for each separate song in electronic music, and it's crazy...
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-06-13 02:07 [#00263356]
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Actually I should've worded it differently... genres ARE helpful in explaining things, I guess... when I say ''IDM'' (which I HATE), at least you know what I'm talking about... I hate the term, and the only reason I use it is because it's understood what artists I mean when I mention it.
But it's tough, because... well, what IS IDM? BOC and Aphex sound nothing alike, at this point. Autechre doesn't have much to do with Amon Tobin... but if I say ''I like electronic music'' (I say that a lot to people outside this IDM loop), people think ''rave''... if I say IDM... they don't know what the hell I'm talking about! Genres... ugh. They can simplify things or give wrong impressions.
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nacmat
on 2002-06-13 02:10 [#00263358]
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words, words, words...
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