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IDM = stupid name.
 

offline artemis from Ghent (Belgium) on 2002-06-12 17:26 [#00262449]
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What is your opinion about this.
IDM = Intelligent Dance Music. It suggests that other styles
are not so intelligent. A lot of IDM is not danceable.


 

offline skodt from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-12 17:29 [#00262456]
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it's the silliest tag i have ever heard, and i am mildly
unfond of making music umder that name.


 

online recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-06-12 17:30 [#00262457]
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i actually like it, and so does rephlex.com

intelligent
dance
music



 

offline artemis from Ghent (Belgium) on 2002-06-12 17:34 [#00262461]
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Is AFX=IDM? It's pretty hard to dance on a lot of his songs


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-06-12 17:41 [#00262472]
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that's where the intelligence angle enters


 

offline skodt from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-12 17:46 [#00262478]
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i thinkk they should call it ISM
for intelligent swank musik!
and then it can be a part of that glorious world of ism's!
yeah fun!


 

offline artemis from Ghent (Belgium) on 2002-06-12 17:48 [#00262481]
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In 92, when the music had attention in the underground scene
it was just called techno. In 10 years time i have heard at
least 35 names for this kind of music. I can't remember when
i have heard the first time of IDM, it is probably a new
name.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-06-12 17:51 [#00262484]
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IWM - intelligent wank music -- that's what most of the
losers on this board jack off to ;) (especially
the_funkmaster!!! and b3n!!!)


 

offline Fotinos nous from ATHINA (Greece) on 2002-06-12 18:02 [#00262488]
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IDM = Intelligent , drum , machines


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-12 18:13 [#00262498]
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i perfer to call it "experimental electronic music"

thats what i always refer to it as when describe to people
what i like.

EEM

yeah boooyyyya


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-06-12 18:20 [#00262508]
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I agree with Zeus. It's experimental


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-12 18:22 [#00262513]
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o no not again

:(


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-06-12 18:24 [#00262519]
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It has started Pachi....RUN

RUUUUUUUNNN!!!!!!


 

offline Deathsmith from Brussels (Belgium) on 2002-06-12 18:25 [#00262520]
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If you think about it. . . intelligent dance music IS a lot
more intelligent than your average shallow dance music.


 

offline corngrower from the fertile grounds of Iowa, w (United States) on 2002-06-12 21:13 [#00262925]
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I go by the term our local underground music store goes by,
'abstract electronic music'


 

offline the_crier from The Town Of No Cheer (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-12 21:36 [#00262989]
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i tend to list a million and two things when i describe it
to people who dont know what i mean.


 

offline the_crier from The Town Of No Cheer (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-12 21:38 [#00262999]
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and in my local shop number 1 there is no good bands.

and in my local shop number 2 its under "dance"


 

offline Smyrma from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2002-06-12 22:08 [#00263069]
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I think of dance as dumb rave stuff with pounding 4/4
basslines. I like Experimental Electronic Music (EEM)..
Nice ring to it


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-12 22:10 [#00263075]
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agreed :)


 

offline astrid-gil-botn from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-12 22:12 [#00263079]
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rephlex hate it - from their site:
it's not "intelligent", it's not "dance", it's not "music"
it's so much more... it's "braindance"



 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-06-12 22:16 [#00263083]
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doesn't braindance involve the word DANCE?


 

offline astrid-gil-botn from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-12 22:16 [#00263084]
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dumb rave may not be "dumb" rave - there is a hell of a lot
you can do with a four 4 rhythmn-- ifit wsn't for acid house
etc there would be no warp records orrephlex and that -
extremley creative dance music - l
there is an awful lot of run of the mill middle of the road
uncreative "idm" - genres are irrelevant


 

offline astrid-gil-botn from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-12 22:17 [#00263085]
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yeah but none of that intelligent "we are superior" shit -
braindance is a welll stupid word and the logo is ridiculous
as well - it's pretty lighthearted i reckin


 

offline Smyrma from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2002-06-12 22:21 [#00263087]
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I wasn't saying all rave is dumb or dismissing anything with
a 4/4 time signature.. I was just saying what the term
"dance music" brings to my mind.


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2002-06-12 22:22 [#00263088]
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Impressive Danish Movies


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2002-06-12 22:25 [#00263093]
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Irritating Dancing Monkeys


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-12 22:34 [#00263099]
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"EEM" reminds me of "EMO".
I'm not so fond of emo.
but it pisses me off when my friends call what I listen to
"techno" or "electronica".
I call the music I listen to usually by the artist's name,
or by what the artist seems to be going for like if it's
minimalistic or dubby or kind of nostalgic or whatever.
I also call it "skronk", "experimental", "arty", "abstract",
and when I'm feeling corny, "futuristic". depends on my
mood.


 

offline eric_hard_jams on 2002-06-12 22:45 [#00263106]
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i prefer the term "22nd century space jazz-funk"


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-12 22:59 [#00263117]
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i wasnt thinking of pronouncing it as Eem

but just say the letters

E-E-M


 

offline nacmat on 2002-06-12 23:36 [#00263156]
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we are always discussing about this... back in the old days
some label decided to call it IDM... and it can be a right
or wrong term...but its the term we all use sice then, I
will find it a bit ridiculous to change name at this
time...

besides I dont like the name...but...


 

offline skodt from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-12 23:43 [#00263170]
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categories are for music shops, let's just call it music,
shall we?


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2002-06-12 23:47 [#00263177]
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idiosyncratic diversifying molestation


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-06-12 23:52 [#00263183]
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I can understand how it's arrogent and all... calling your
music intelligent is pretty stupid... but, I don't
understand why a group like Autechre are considered
intelligent DANCE music... IDM to me makes more sense for a
group like Orbital or something... their music is dancey,
and is intelligent, and what not... I dunno, I'm gonna
shut-up now...

but it is a stupid name!!


 

offline Smyrma from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2002-06-12 23:54 [#00263191]
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Impressive Divebomb Mechanism


 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-06-12 23:59 [#00263199]
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They should call it "Dorssic"- Dork, classical music. RAWK!



 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-06-13 00:12 [#00263227]
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The ''intelligent'' part suits this music... although it IS
a bit arrogant to blatantly use that word in the frickin'
genre name...

The dance part... ick. You can dance to ANY music. Hell, a
lot of this stuff is a much harder (if not impossible) to
dance to than most music...


 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-06-13 00:16 [#00263235]
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*bjorks himself* Well.. That's true. A bit condescending to
the other genres, don't you think? As if the "rock"
mentality wasn't enough, now you have whole GENRES talking
down to each other. Stupid, young, impressionable music
reviewers. *mumblemumblemumble*


 

offline japes from Suriname on 2002-06-13 00:21 [#00263242]
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I don't mind IDM. So far I've heard it called:

IDM
Braindance
Armchair Techno
Drill'n'Bass
Fungle
Spunk Jazz
Experimental Electro

Any others?


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-06-13 00:25 [#00263251]
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When I talk about what music I'm into, I DON'T say IDM... I
always say electronic music.

Which, unfortunately, makes people think of rave music...
genres are so... agh. Like it or not, they exist...

Only two kinds of music to me. Good/bad... the genre thing
just makes it tough to discuss things with people sometimes.
Far as I'm concerned, The Beatles and Autechre are ''good
music'', Blink 182 and Eminem are ''bad music.'' :-]


 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-06-13 00:25 [#00263252]
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What about electronica?!?!?


 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-06-13 00:26 [#00263254]
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Braindance? ARGH! Weird.


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-06-13 01:12 [#00263314]
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I refer to it IDM here because I know you all would know
what that refers to... however I would never use IDM to
anyone who's not into electronic music...


 

offline eric_hard_jams on 2002-06-13 01:16 [#00263318]
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internal dick magnifier


 

offline nacmat on 2002-06-13 01:44 [#00263331]
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ophecks do you mind if I use your exact words?:

When I talk about what music I'm into, I DON'T say IDM... I

always say electronic music.

Which, unfortunately, makes people think of rave music... (I
know that)
genres are so... agh. Like it or not, they exist... (how
true my friend)

Only two kinds of music to me. Good/bad... the genre thing
just makes it tough to discuss things with people sometimes.

Far as I'm concerned, The Beatles and Autechre are ''good
music'', Blink 182 and Eminem are ''bad music.'' :-] (yes
yes yes)



 

offline Zombiekev from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-06-13 01:53 [#00263341]
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greatest idm album =

crunch 1


 

offline nacmat on 2002-06-13 01:55 [#00263343]
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what does your name mean zombiekev?
I dont remeber if you already explained that... but I would
like to know


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-06-13 01:56 [#00263346]
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hmmm, actually I find genres make it easier to discuss
music... I think you do need genres to a certain extent, I
mean it just doesn't make much sense to say to someone that
Aphex Twin and The Beatles are both music, it is, but it
doesn't really show the difference...


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-06-13 01:58 [#00263347]
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but, I do think there are way too many genres now... I
remember we had a discussion here about all the cores,
beatcore, speedcore, blah blah blah... it seems there is a
genre for each separate song in electronic music, and it's
crazy...


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-06-13 02:07 [#00263356]
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Actually I should've worded it differently... genres ARE
helpful in explaining things, I guess... when I say ''IDM''
(which I HATE), at least you know what I'm talking about...
I hate the term, and the only reason I use it is because
it's understood what artists I mean when I mention it.

But it's tough, because... well, what IS IDM? BOC and Aphex
sound nothing alike, at this point. Autechre doesn't have
much to do with Amon Tobin... but if I say ''I like
electronic music'' (I say that a lot to people outside this
IDM loop), people think ''rave''... if I say IDM... they
don't know what the hell I'm talking about! Genres... ugh.
They can simplify things or give wrong impressions.


 

offline nacmat on 2002-06-13 02:10 [#00263358]
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words, words, words...


 


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