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Archrival
on 2002-05-29 09:33 [#00240203]
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Take the songs as pictures.
Before videos fucked up music, you would hear something on the radio and as there was no video, each song meant something different to everyone as they all had their own mental picture of it.
Now every time you hear a song, you think of the video, or you yearn for a video.
Use your fucking imagination, clone.
Motherfuckers are walking around with no thought - people got their vices and their escapes and shit like that, but nobody uses their imagination nowadays :(
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Archrival
on 2002-05-29 09:34 [#00240207]
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Gantz Graf this and Gantz Graf that...its a pretty cool video, but the song SUCKS, it aint even about music these days........
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-29 09:34 [#00240209]
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Video killed the radio star?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-29 09:35 [#00240210]
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Hip hop videos are the worst. Check Big Pimpin by Jay-Z for example.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-05-29 09:35 [#00240212]
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My thoughts exactly
Now who wants a stupid peice of toffey?
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damion
from Auckland (New Zealand) on 2002-05-29 10:03 [#00240235]
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depends i really dig alot of music videos but you dont really have to worry archival most of the music videos being made today are for the pop - hip hop genre
but once in awhile theres a video that really works with a song
chemical brothers- star guitar aphex twins - come to daddy theres loads there was some good ones back in the early 90s alternitive rock era
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Archrival
on 2002-05-29 10:44 [#00240249]
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I aint talking about my man Cunninghams work (he actually got skills and can make a decent video) I really liked those he made fo AFX.
Yes, im talking about cunts like Hype Williams etc etc.
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Archrival
on 2002-05-29 10:45 [#00240250]
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There was actually some good hip hop videos back in the "goood old daysss".
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Archrival
on 2002-05-29 10:59 [#00240255]
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Its like if you are blind you can still see "the video" if the song is nice....
Thats what Aphex Twins, BoCs, Squares and AEs songs are to me.
They are fucking VIVID!!!!!!! - close your eyes and you can picture shit, you know?
Weak ass music with weak ass videos is for the sleepwalkers, for stupid fucking conformist assholes...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-29 11:04 [#00240259]
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Hip hop videos do have plenty of top totty though.
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-05-29 11:14 [#00240267]
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I dont agree..... I really dont.
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Chri5py
from my Solarbear (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-29 11:21 [#00240269]
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Reflex, will you check out all 4 of my tunes please?
not the best ones on there yet but;
http://www.mp3.com.au/Chri5py Cheers
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-29 11:22 [#00240271]
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I agree in a way.... kinda like how reading a book is a far more active experience than seeing the film....
The best videos I think are ones where the sound/visuals are created together...rather than being tacked on as a promo device...
REFLEX: .... tell us more....couldn't work out what you were disagreeing with....
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map
from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2002-05-29 11:27 [#00240274]
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why does some people write aphex twinS? i think they mean it's a group, or two peoples, funny :)
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uzim
on 2002-05-29 12:05 [#00240301]
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good music videos are cool to see and reflect more what the artist wanted to express in his song. i don't think it deprives you from something, many videos are only "improvements" — a good example (if you like it, of course) is marilyn manson's tourniquet video, by floria sisgimondi, which makes the idea of the song clearer but without depriving the listener from imaginating things. on the contrary, it even incitates you to imagine more, since it has ambiguous scenes (for example, when you see manson with tubes/cables into his mouth, with the marionette beside him)...
the only video i regret having seen is plaid — eyen. it's the only one i know who makes the song less enjoyable... :(
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Archrival
on 2002-05-29 14:37 [#00240607]
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.....that Eyen video........yeah it destroyed my lovely picture..that video always pops up ;)
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xlr
from Boston (United States) on 2002-05-29 18:18 [#00240963]
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I'd have to agree with you about a lot of hip hop & pop videos I suppose. Style without substance, just people dancing around and stuff is not an effective use of the medium. In these cases, the music video is used more as a promotional tool for an album or single, rather than an artistic expression.
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uzim
on 2002-05-29 19:40 [#00241054]
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most videos (mainly rap & r'n'b) i see on tv are hilarious... so ridiculous... i don't care since i don't like the songs anyway ^^
(btw, i miss jade xlr... am i the only one? :))
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2002-05-29 19:45 [#00241062]
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That post could have been mine.
agreed on the video's and I miss Jade too.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-29 20:13 [#00241099]
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on a related note, does anyone reading this have any of the following videos that i'm looking for
---- A Perfect Circle - The Hollow Add N To (X) - Plug Me In Add N To (X) - Revenge Of The Black Regent Add N To (X) - Robot Fingers In My Body Air - (all videos) Autechre - Gantz Graf Beck - Sexx Laws Bjork - Pagan Poetry live on TOTP Busta Rhymes - Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Could See Cibo Matto - Sugar Water The Coup - 5 Million Ways To Kill A C.E.O. Daft Punk - Da Funk Deltron 3030 - Positive Contact Deltron 3030 - Virus Drowning Pool - Sinners Fiona Apple - Sleep To Dream (non-avi) Future Sound Of London - My Kingdom (Part 5) Future Sound Of London - We Have Explosive Future Sound Of London - ISDN video Future Sound Of London - Teachings From The Electronic Brain II
Garbage - Queer Gorillaz - Rock The House Incubus - Pardon Me (Live on MAD TV) Leftfield - Afrika Shox Les Nubians - Les Portes Du Souvenir Lo Fidelity All-Stars - Battle Flag Lovage - (short film) Ludacris - Rollout Madonna - Music Marilyn Manson - Anti-Christ Superstar Method Man - Judgement Day Michael Jackson - Ghosts (short film) Michael Jackson - Leave Me Alone Mogwai - Christmas Steps Mogwai - Dial: Revenge Mogwai - Stanley Kubrick Mogwai - Summer [UK and US] Nas - One Mic Neil Young - This Note's For You Nine Inch Nails - Broken (full) Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit Pras, ODB, Mya, Wyclef, Canibus - Ghetto Superstar VMA's '98
Prince Paul - A Prince Among Thieves Radiohead - I Might Be Wrong (mainstream) Radiohead - Lucky Radiohead - Optimistic (studio) Rage Against The Machine - Bulls On Parade (Live on SNL) Rage Against The Machine - People Of The Sun Republica - Drop Dead Gorgeous RZA - Holocaust Scarface f/ 2Pac - Smile Sinead O'Connor - Troy Soul Assassins f/ B-Real & Dr. Dre - Puppet Master Soul Coughing - Super Bon Bon Spice Girls - Wannabe Tori Amos - Hey Jupiter UNKLE - Be There Wu-Tang Clan - Can It Be All So Simple Wu-Tang Clan - I Can't Go To Sleep
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uzim
on 2002-05-29 20:27 [#00241108]
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for the broken movie, maybe you can try fall-apart.net. it has all nin videos available, including the broken movie (but i didn't try it).
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hungrig
from Sweden on 2002-05-29 20:44 [#00241122]
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i sure could use some of that toffey...
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-05-29 20:50 [#00241133]
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oh god theres certain radiohead tracks i dont listen to because of seeing the video for it
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USACID
from Death Valley (Zambia) on 2002-05-29 20:53 [#00241138]
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U know, your all to blame. You spend to much time watching the tube. I haven't watched MTV since i was 10, and from what i've heard its all crappy programing ever since. Maybe u should just tune out...and think for a change.....maybe read a book too
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-29 20:57 [#00241148]
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don't jump to conclusions; i don't have cable and i only watch 2 shows a week - x-files and family guy, and neither have been on air lately. i even stopped watching the news cos it was all bullshit terrorism coverage.
i like (some) music videos cos i love music and i like great visuals, and that's my word.
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-05-29 20:59 [#00241149]
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i dont watch mtv anymore
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uzim
on 2002-05-29 21:00 [#00241150]
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i don't watch videos on TV — they never air music i like anyway. i (try to) download mpegs. i don't think i can be blamed for watching TV too often, i only watch it for something like 1 hour per day...
(i spend too much time on my computer though)
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-05-29 21:01 [#00241153]
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mtv?! ha! i stopped watching that almost at least 2 years ago!
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-05-29 21:01 [#00241155]
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in fact i rarely watch tv in general these days
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USACID
from Death Valley (Zambia) on 2002-05-29 21:03 [#00241159]
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then how can everyone bitch about seeing these videos if they're not watching tv?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-29 21:12 [#00241177]
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i think archrival was complaining about how music videos take away the listeners' imagination, depriving them of their own feelings and thoughts about the music. you can see something just once and your perspective of the song can be "ruined."
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-29 21:22 [#00241191]
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yeah...like when music is used in an advert...
Difficult to divorce the 2 once you've seen em together....(mentioning no nmaes. MOBY...fucker)...;)
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license
from out of nowhere on 2002-05-29 21:38 [#00241217]
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I listen to music strictly for the mental images. and when I say images, I mean intricate, detailed images, with specific colours, emotions, and plotlines going on.
so I try not to watch videos. but this probably also means that I'll end up working with/making visual interpretations of music (i.e. videos) in the future.
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-05-29 21:53 [#00241234]
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theres such thing as downloading them
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2002-05-29 22:22 [#00241252]
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Hype Williams & Paul Hunter had some pretty intresting visual Ideas BACK IN THE DAY; his style was new and fresh, but than Hype copied himself and others copied Hype, and thats why all those Hip Hop videos look all the same today.
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wayout
from the street of crocodiles on 2002-05-30 02:25 [#00241509]
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videos are great when done well...i think it can add to the experience...usually with my favorite songs..ill have visuals in my head which i would like to make into videos...im taking a video class next year...so well see how that turns out...
i suppose you could be right about videos ruining peoples imagination...in my case they've only enhanced it...i guess if people's imaginations are ruined simply by watching too many videos...then they probably werent too imaginitve to begin with...
seeing videos i liked is what pretty much got me into music... my first favorite band was radiohead...and that resulted from seeing paranoid android...that pretty much got me into music...and then i saw the video for come to daddy...
i probably wouldnt have heard of these artists otherwise..
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J and The B
from Chesterland, Ohio (United States) on 2002-05-30 02:39 [#00241525]
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pop/hiphop videos are just bam bam bam!
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J and The B
from Chesterland, Ohio (United States) on 2002-05-30 02:41 [#00241526]
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no substance
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USACID
from Death Valley (Zambia) on 2002-05-30 03:14 [#00241571]
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