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read the slight argument on the "thread on fruityloops" thread. concept music is absolutely not elitism. concept art is something that truely exists in all forms of art and music is the same. if you make an album with an underlying concept tying it all together then it is a concept album. right? |
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The term 'concept' is too open for interpretation. Musical genres are based on concepts. Since all music has a concept in a certain extent saying that you make concept music suggests you make something special without the need for ....(insert limitation) therefore the term "concept music" is also open for being interpreted as being "elitist"(creatively). |
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go to a museum and they have a section for concept art. |
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the term is certainly open for interpretation to some extent but then people cant even fully define cut and dry what art is so what makes you think we could or even should ever define categories of art completely. i like broad things. |
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Having a seperate section full of special concepts for special people who can appreciate the concepts isn't elitism? |
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go fuck a sumo wrestler then |
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the reason it isnt elite is cause its not saying its just different music but its saying its music with complete other eliments thrown in that have nothing to do with music really. like "lets start a band that only uses powertools" if you would put that band in the same category as other bands then there is a problem. and seperating that band wouldnt be making them elite it would simply be saying its a different kind of band. and then people ask "why is it a different kind of band" because the creative CONCEPT they used. they arent better, they are just conceptual |
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no, the concept is different is all |
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exactly, the concept is unusual and therefor categorized as "music with a different concept" |
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i believe concept art is stuff like painters who dont use canvas they paint on car doors and cardboard and such. and it becomes concept art. and is regarded that way all over the world by any person into art. |
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"and is regarded that way all over the world by any person into art." wow, you DO like broad things: broad sweeping statements, that is. so now you have changed your argument from it being "concept" to being "a different concept" -- interesting shift there, which contradicts your earlier statements and backs up what i've been saying all along, namely that ALL music and ALL art has a concept. |
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Doesn't the term "concept art" automaticly suggest that normal art has no concept and therefore degrades the creative value and individuality of other art for people who are 'into' the concept of the art? |
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has a concept yes but you dont seem to understand that concept art is a genre of art. and i make no contradictions i cant help it if you cant keep up. and really not even all art has a concept if you think about it. some people paint bowls of fruit there is no conceptual there just immitation of what you see. which is still great. the idea/concept only happens when intentionally placed there. |
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Immitation isn't a concept? |
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normal art is simply creativity, its beautiful none the less. concept art places an idea which controls the outcome of the art. this is stupid i learned this crap in art class 101 i dont know what the problem is here. |
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immitation is immitation. |
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the concept would be a- paint b - bowl of fruit + plus whatever media or style you put behind it a concept in art can be broad or narrow. it depends how much the artist wants to put into there work? |
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exam question> can spinach be imitated ? conceptualise. (100 points) |
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wat a fucking headache! |
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smoke some weed and chill yer brains dudes |
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im reading up. apparently concept art is art that sticks to one concept such as sitting down and decided to do a series of dragon drawings(example i found). so its art with a predetermined direction. |
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a rather moot topic, concept / ideas everywhere in art / music i'm offski, bye :)))))) |
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what the hell you guys challenge something i say and then complain when i defend my thoughts. dont read the thread anymore if youre sick of the topic. smoke your weed, try not to learn anything. |
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The problem is that the term "concept" doesn't say wether it is conventional or not or even how many concepts are used or if the concept is creative or not. It doesn't say anything for me really... |
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I'm more intelligent than you dude I realise that all this talk is art-school bullshit thats all it is It means precisely jack-shit to most people and not because they are less clever and you sound like a prick for spouting it no offence intended :D |
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He doesn't sound like a prick...he's just trying to talk about a very difficult area...and people are getting tied up in dictionary definitions (the one place you'll never find art..).. Conceptual Art IS different that other fields of Art you could mention...I liked the example of a picture of a Fruit Bowl; that's just representational (i.e. it is what it is...) whereas something like Landys Breakdown (where he destroyed everything he owed and pulverised it into dust) has a definate predetermined concept behind it.... I thinks that's one of the major differences really...the idea of a predetermined concept... The trouble I think we're having here is that Art is all about communicating concepts that cannot be communicated with words....thus trying to put our thoughts down in text is bound to fail and/or fall short in some important way... if you really wanna have fun, try and define what Art is and you'll see exactly what the problem is...i've yet to hear a good definition from anyone and it's a subject I know a fair bit about... OH yeah...don't try and drag a brother down just cause he's thinking aloud/exploring some difficult ideas...takes quite some bravery to do that, esp. on a MB like this... |
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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!! all i did was say what i felt(which should be respected) and defended what i felt(which should also be respected). if you didnt agree or got tired of what i was saying you should have stopped reading. you dont have to agree, but you cant tell me im wrong. |
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sorry jAnd, but i don't think it takes bravery at all - and it was his superior attitude that rankled most of us, not what he was trying to explain. hypothesis: Art doesn't even exist -- everything is Art, therefore the word Art, like the word concept, is redundant... so maybe "concept art" is the most redundant of this non-existing forms : Hypothesis End |
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something we agree on, art is everything. i only get an attitude when i feel im being condecended on. |
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fair enough, as long as you don't accuse moi of being condescending! |
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actually i dont recall from who, but i really honostly dont have an attitude in general as i try to be a nice guy and see all sides of any subject. but at some point i know i felt condescended on and it irritated me highly. no finger pointing at all as i didnt keep tabs. |
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tone is soooo difficult to judge within this little limited text box tho, isn't it?...I didn't really pick up on the superior angle as I think almost everything you type out like this can be read so many ways.... but hell, my friend, we shouldn't bother discussing attitude, it's what he was trying to talk about that's important...and I think he's done pretty well; it certainly got me thinking about a few things, that's the reason I like it here...you get me thinking!!!... |
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say that again jand, and i'll bop you one on the nose! the cheek!! |
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soory guys I'm not trying to bring anyone down> only pointing out that tying yourselves up in mental / verbal knots about anything in this existential universe always ends in some kind of (neccessary) breakdown , IE. Realizing that beyond a "metal workout" you may get from all these ideas, there is nothing intrinsic or worth bothering about it beyond that.. I am interested in , and WORK in , the "Arts" and I can tell you , nothing is better than producing and enjoying Art. On the flipside , Nothing is WORSE than having it turned into a mental masturbation exercise , (I know a few who can talk a good game but couldn't hope to ever DO IT THEMSELVES), incidentally they get paid shitloads for their pontificating , and making the simple sound arcane and complex) To sum up, Art has always been hi-jacked by Non-artists who want to "Have their way" with it, and create a whole new area where clever conceptualising and arcane pontificating "becomes" the art itself, often disenfranchising the artist themself for the sake of their own self-satisfied smugness Talking about what :"IS" and "ISN'T" conceptual Art is precisely the currency of these bastardisers* of Art *By that I mean > someone who removes the wholeness of the work itself by making their own interpretation of it crucial to its worth, especially when they flaunt their own interpretation as being somehow inherent & omniscient. I was trying to get the guys to chill out from the whole thing and was told sarcastically "Don't try to learn anything...." Well I don't need to TRY, certain things are self-evident and you need instinct & natural intelligence to realise that , not a Polarised chin-stroking session or art-school lecture about the 'IS' and 'ISN'T' of art. Its so fucking up-itself and alienating, m'kay ? If you want to be clever, MAKE some art and make it well , and let your art do the talking... Oh yeah Jand> I'm not saying he "IS" a prick. Just that he SOUNDED like one, which was a point I wou |
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....which was a point I would make to my best of friends without offence being taken if it was applicable, which in this case it was. Ciao for now Art-lovers :) |
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^ great post.... Who'd you conside to be "bastardisers" of art, smoke?...any well-known names you consider not worthy of their fame?... |
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