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andre 3000's kinda cheesing it up on the last 2 singles (both non-album): "the whole world" and the just-released "land of a million drums" (scooby doo soundtrack). the last outkast album and the dungeon family album were both smart, innovative and not geared toward any target demographic but i don't think i like the direction they're headed with the new single especially. if anyone doesn't own any/all 4 outkast albums, buy 'em. they're tireless classics. |
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instrumentally "the whole world" isn't pandering to the pop audience, but lyrically (and melodically in the chorus) it's an obvious attempt to capture the young white demographic.. the new one i'll have to listen to again, but it was just cheesy. hopefully that's only cos of the soundtrack it's on. |
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i enjoy the first three albums, but never got into stankonia. it sounds innovative and fresh, but it does nothing for me. it's probably me though, getting pretty fed up with the pimps n hoes cliche in hip hop. i think lyrically stank kinda fell short. |
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yea i actually have to agree with you on that, the lyrics are more of an afterthought to the spectacular production on the album. i think the only highlights for me lyrically were humble mumble (like the wordplay), gasoline dreams, i'll call before i come (clever), toilet tisha (you either relate to it or you don't, and i'm from dc..), and ? (hardcore, kinda reminds me of return of the g and da art of storytelling part 2 off the last one) |
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haven't listened in a long while... i know i dig gasoline dreams and toilet tisha though (don't think i can relate, but remember diggin it) |
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I was heavily disapointed with aquelini. I liked track 3 but the rest was pretty much immemorble IMO. |
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aquemini is one of my top 10 favorite albums, and i own several hundred :) what's not to like? that might just be the best hip-hop album to date. |
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Its not a bad album... I just found it boring. Like I said, track 3 was dope, but the rest was IMO immemorable... |
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track 3 is "rosa parks" ain't it? |
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Yeah... I think.... I don't have the tracklisting handy. |
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hush dat fuss, fuckface! :D |
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I only have Stankonia. I love it. I like The Whole World, but I can see what you mean about it being more geared to that demographic. |
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I think Bombs over Baghdad is a great song!!! Speaking of hip-hop, I just heard a song called Oh Boy or something by someone called Cam Ron or something... and it sounded so much like Boards of Canada it wasn't funny... to me anyways... could it be a BoC influence I wondeR? :) |
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i love 'the whole world' cos it's nice to have a pop song with a marching rhythm. and andre 3000 has an interesting singing style. and the horns are a nice touch. it's a nice song but it definitely began a direction toward mainstream music (first time in their 8 year career) that is even more obvious on their newest song "land of a million drums." i highly recommend their album ATLiens, it's more electro than the album inbetween, Aquemini (my personal fav), which is mostly organic. download the song "elevators" by outkast, it's from ATLiens.. good representation of the album |
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i think i heard that cam'ron song once but it sure as hell didn't sound BoC-ish to me, but it's been a couple months. i'm sure there're lots of rappers and producers who are into BoC, but i think the only really mainstream hip-hop acts who like warp records artists are outkast and their producers organized noize, timbaland, missy elliott, rza, dj premier, and the neptunes. |
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I dunno, it kinda sounded like it... I mean you have the child's voice sample, and then you have what sounds like a flute... I don't know, it kind of sounded like it to me... but what do I know? :) |
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maybe I just have Boards of Canada on the brain... I've hardly listened to anything else this week... :) |
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oh yea and the roots (especially ?uestlove) are really into idm stuff too. |
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the roots are great... I'm not a huge fan of hip-hop, but I do think that the roots, outkast, and a tribe called quest are all cool... de la soul is pretty cool too... |
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The roots are awesome... has anyone heard that track where Rahzel is at the beatbox championship and he beatboxes and sings at the same time? If you haven't, I suggest that you do. It is amazing, and will make you cream in your pants! |
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yea that's "if your mother only knew," great track... actually tho, most of the beatboxing sort of things you hear on roots songs are by this guy named SCRATCH, who is a full time member of the roots. he's a human turntablist as his name would suggest. |
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wouldn't you consider Ms. Jackson and So Fresh and So Clean pop?.....they were great songs but were played a millions times a day on the radio..... |
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i'm defining their pop direction as intentionally written to appeal to everyone, or to a certain demographic. that's new for them; for 8 years they did whatever they want (and that meant always bucking the trends, eg: putting out an organic hip-hop album (ie: live instrumentation), putting out a highly electronica influenced album, rapping about unusual topics, etc.). ms. jackson wasn't aimed at the pop market; it may have been overplayed but that's not outkast's responsibility. who'd think a song with backwards guitar would be so popular? as for so fresh and so clean, that one's "too techno" for urban radio. |
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yeah I definetly see them going more pop with much of stankonia and there last two singles, though I still like the music. I didn't like 'the whole world' at first, but it's grown on me and now I love it. As far as Stankonia goes, my favorites were Humble Mumble, Red Velvet, BOB, and Gasoline Dreams. Titsworth: I agree with you completely about Aqueimini, it's in my top 10 list of all time as well. |
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Outkast gone pop? DUH |
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i know alot of people have talked about this already, but i actually decided to check it out... i must say "wow" very bold tracks, something i wasn't really expecting... "hey ya" has this pretty amazing melody come in and out... and for some reason i like that bass line. |
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yeah, haven't Outkast always been pop? You can be innovative and push boundaries and do weird things and still be pop... just look at (and I know people are going to scream and insult me here) U2... they're the opitome (sp?) or a pop rock band, but they also tried some different things in their music... in my opinion there are two things which are necessary for a pop song... some kind vocal, or lyrical part... be it a two word phrase repeated over and over, or a huge story... and then a catchy melody... as long as you have those things, I'd say you can basically fuck up anything else... what U2 did, they didn't fuck with song structures... they kept strong melodies, and lyrics, and all that... they just fiddled with the sounds in the song, adding electronic elements, etc... because they kept the song structures in place, the songs weren't too "outthere" for the music buying public... and so you have music which is a little different, but not too different... The Beatles is a whole different story... they did fuck with song structures, and still managed to sell shit loads of albums... but I guess they did so in good way... just listen to Blackbird... it's one of my favorite Beatles songs, and the time signatures are constantly changing in that song... but it's catchy as hell, and gorgeous! |
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yeah, haven't Outkast always been pop? no.. they've always been melodic but they really started considering a mainstream pop audience, i think, with stankonia (following the perhaps surprising success of "rosa parks" on the previous album) and then more blatantly with "the whole world" on their 'best of' cd.. anyway, their pop stuff ("the whole world", "hey ya!", maybe a couple others) is great but i'm glad they didn't GO pop.. they're still doing hip-hop and still experimenting all around |
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yeah, it's cool when artists can be poppy, but still experimental... I think that's a hard thing to do... to experiment, but still sell loads of records and stuff... someone like David Bowie... he's been crazy experimental all through his career, but yet he still manages to have hits every now and then... that's pretty awesome I think when artists can do that, be poppy, yet still experimental within a poppy format... |
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and the Beatles... the beatles were, well are just crazy... they were the top in both... they're the most influencial group of all time, and the best selling group... that's justmad... |
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