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A Clever Filtering/Pitching Effect
 

offline SteveWardale from Lincoln (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 08:07 [#00214804]
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I heard on Michael ST Mt, Takign Control and countless
other songs by him this little effect... when there's a
drumroll in the song, it sounds like one single TomTom,
pitched down slowly from it's normal sound to a faint bass
rhumble. But it doesn't sound cheap like pitching normally
does. Is it filtering? Modulation? I dunno, i doubt anyone
else does, I just thought it were rather smart sounding.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2002-05-11 08:16 [#00214810]
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The 'cheapness' of the pitch effect tends to rely on the
program you are doing it with.


 

offline nhiiq from the hanging valleys on 2002-05-11 08:19 [#00214813]
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yeah i love those "tom" breakdowns... he probably used kyma
on a lot of that stuff.


 

offline SteveWardale from Lincoln (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 08:20 [#00214814]
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What's the best to do it in? CoolEdit2000 and Acid Pro 3.0
sound pretty crap.


 

offline SteveWardale from Lincoln (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 08:20 [#00214815]
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Kyma?


 

offline nhiiq from the hanging valleys on 2002-05-11 08:23 [#00214821]
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kyma


 

offline awt from kristianstad (Sweden) on 2002-05-11 08:23 [#00214822]
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Dance Ejay bitch


 

offline SteveWardale from Lincoln (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 08:23 [#00214823]
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three words that need stringing together a little more
clearley....


 

offline awt from kristianstad (Sweden) on 2002-05-11 08:24 [#00214824]
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Next Heap With


 

offline SteveWardale from Lincoln (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 08:27 [#00214829]
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What's kyma?


 

offline nhiiq from the hanging valleys on 2002-05-11 08:27 [#00214830]
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check to link i posted.


 

offline nhiiq from the hanging valleys on 2002-05-11 08:28 [#00214831]
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to = the

http://www.symbolicsound.com/brochure/index.html


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-05-11 08:29 [#00214832]
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steve .. tho i think cool edit should be fine .. otherwise
you might want to try ProTools FREE , that's got some
wicked pitchbend/timestrech .. ?



 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2002-05-11 08:38 [#00214838]
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i didn't think richard d james used Kyma at all...


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-05-11 08:49 [#00214856]
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kyma eh? .. shame bout the pricetag tho .. damn ..


 

offline SteveWardale from Lincoln (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 08:59 [#00214874]
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theres a free protools?!?!?! goodness, i wondered why half
of you had it! thanks ever so much, must go and download...


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-11 09:01 [#00214876]
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i'm sure it's cripled tho. do they make protools full
version for pc's? i'm sure it sucks compared to the mac
version but if someone could answer me i'd appreciate it..

i wish they made ab-synth, amp farm, audio mulch, and
metasynth for pc's :(


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-05-11 09:07 [#00214885]
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^yo tits!

you can get "proper" protools for the pc! (might just be LE
tho ?).

demo is for mac and pc

its limited to 8 audio tracks (the midi sucks, but then it
does on the proper version also). the bonus is tho that it
is compatible with tdm plug ins .. though i don't have any
.. the timestrech and pitchbend still kick my cubase vst5's
ass .. and the protools is free!

absynth is out on pc now!


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-11 09:09 [#00214888]
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yo

thanks for the heads up on absynth =)
as long as protools takes vst and directx plugins i'm set..
still tho i bet the overall pc prog is dif from the mac
version. if i were rich i'd buy a mac in a second just to
make music w/..


 

offline SteveWardale from Lincoln (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 09:15 [#00214895]
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what's absynth?


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-11 09:17 [#00214898]
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soft synth as you might've guessed
anyway it's quite a nice one, was available only on macs for
a very long time tho
the absynth homepage (forget the url at the moment) has
mp3's people have made just with the software


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-05-11 09:20 [#00214900]
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Titsworth .. no probs

The thing with protools (the real expensive stuff) is that
its a software/hardware interface, thats why its so good
(the timing etc). Native instruments are starting to make
their stuff tdm (or whatever its called for protools)
compatible, so far i think Battery, B4 and Pro-52 are
available for the protools crowd.

I wouldn't be too down and out bout your pc. A lot of
professionals use them in conjunction - mac and pc [ i think
rich has a vaio (as well as his macs), and richie hawtin
uses a pc/mac combo also, just to name those that pop in me
head]. Apart from maybe mastering, as far as I can see they
are more or less the same, just a matter of personal
preference. I myself have a mac, and am very happy with it,
but i don't think it makes my music any better because of it
tho?!

Re: protools, I still think Cubase/Logic is much much more
versatile (as you hint with the VST thing) than cubase.

There's heaps of progs for the pc .. i mean just look at all
the people using fruityloops on this board - making some
pretty damn good music.

Having the equipment might help, but it still [imho]
essentially comes down to the creative process which no
matter how expensive it is can't substitute. ? :)

What progs you got at the moment ???


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-05-11 09:23 [#00214902]
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than cubase = than protools !! duh

you know .. the fm7 only just recently came out for the mac!
its all give and take .. new reaktor versions come out pc
version first .. :)


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-11 09:28 [#00214906]
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i got a shitload of programs, the only ones i'm lacking are
the ones i mentioned above that are or were only for mac,
plus some i haven't been able to find: spectralizer,
tassman, and pro-52.

musicians, producers, and engineers just make macs seem so
much easier to use, maybe it's just a bias i've developed in
my head cos of that.

fruityloops is good for adjusting samples (tweaking them)
but it drives me nuts using the program to make actual
songs, way too formulaic.. i know there are ways of
modifying that, but it's too complicated for me to figure
out. i'm just used to a looser sound cos i play "real"
instruments.. that's why i like other programs better,
especially cos they integrate live inputs.

sorry i'm incoherent, it's very late here and i am going to
bed.. goodnight


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-05-11 09:34 [#00214914]
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sweet :)

yeah .. i'm not sure about live input on fruityloops, but
flea (imho) is a prime example of how unformulaeic and
seemingly random and stream of conscious you can make
fruityloops sound ..

if you've got so many programs - the only thing i'd be
worried about is mastering, which as a general rule of thumb
is better done in a studio anyway - as they know what
exactly to look out for, have better equipment (ie protools
etc.).

mac's easier to use? that's quite a strange concept
considering the actual 'program interfaces' on the platforms
are the same ??

:)

u got any toonz one could d/l and have a listen to (i've
tuned in to sum o' them radio sessions :)


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-05-11 09:36 [#00214917]
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nite-e nite tits :)


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-11 09:38 [#00214918]
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the only recordings i have aren't music, they're just
extreme noise things lacking a real melody. i've some music
that i haven't recorded yet, but that's analogue stuff. i
just need time in the summer to master the programs as you
said and make some tracks. basically i'll be making
everything from idm to pure hip-hop to jazz to experimental
noise stuff, and lots of combinations of the above.. besides
various software i rock a mic(rophone), trumpet, guitars,
electric bass, synthesizers (especially my late 80s model
yamaha), percussion, etc. etc. nothing too fancy (and
nothing expensive) but they're enough to do what i want at
the moment..

thanks for listening to my show :)

anyway goodnight for real (closing the browser, haha)


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-05-11 09:41 [#00214922]
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master the programs - yeah that too i guess . . i meant
master the tracks :) - as in compression .. cutting out
unwanted noise etc. hehe ..

cool .. go hard making yo toonz - lemme know when u've got
stuff up fo' public listening ! :)

well .. sleep tight then


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-11 11:32 [#00214963]
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i have protoolsfree,butnot enough ram to run it:(


 

offline SteveWardale from Lincoln (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 12:27 [#00214987]
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http://www.mp3.com/lemonmelon are where all my tunes are and have been for
nearly two years now... been experimenting with all sorts of
styles and ProTools will assist me alot... does it come with
built in plugins?


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-05-11 13:33 [#00215025]
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not plug ins as such (ie. instruments) but its got:
compressor, delay (short, medium, long, slap), timestretch,
pitchbend, reverse etc. all pretty standard .. good fun tho
.. checkin yo songs now :)


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-12 03:27 [#00215888]
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korben dallas, i wouldn't say this if i didn't mean it -
your mp3.com tracks are really, really good. i strongly
recommend anyone reading this to click korben's profile and
download the songs on his mp3.com page, especially if you
love SAW2.


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-05-12 04:38 [#00215950]
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whats your mp3.com address?


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-12 04:51 [#00215964]
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his is: http://www.mp3.com/polcxd


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-05-12 06:14 [#00216027]
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^hehe *blushes*

cheers titsworth! :)

SteveWardale: yo, your tracks are incredibly polished .. i
downloaded flash spectacle, a very entertaining tune ...
perhaps a tad too sugary imo, but that is a matter of
personal preference, certainly not meant to be a criticism
.. :)


 

offline SteveWardale from Lincoln (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-12 08:02 [#00216093]
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Thankyou very much, I've had alot worse in my times, lol. It
was very bouncy wasn't it? Seems to be doing pretty well so
far... had 15,000 downlaods of Beef Jerkin' and that awful
hiphop song (*Everybody Wanna Know Why) with those bad
rappers... those both got to number one, although I can't
imagine why on earth the latter did... the Beef Jerkin' for
that matter, since I recorded it over a year ago!


 


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