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nanotech
from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2002-05-11 06:00 [#00214753]
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ok, with the recennt topic i thought it apropiate to create one dedicated to the US's congress saying that "virtual" child porn is ok. By virtual, i mean the 100% senthetic 3d models of children acting in sexualy expilcit manners. No human children models, just 3d renderations...
i'm not sure, but this topic does sound familuar as i'm wraaping things up...maybe we already talkied about it...if so...sorry...:( if not...what are you're opinions?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-11 06:05 [#00214755]
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Anyone who would get off on a 3d rendering of a young child in sexually suggestive/exploitive actions/positions/manners deserves to be shot for the sheer tastelesness of it all.
I don't really see why the gov't feels the need to interfere with what people do in their everyday lives anyways. Its like, as soon as you turn 18, you shed one set of parents and gain a new set.
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Ubik
from United States on 2002-05-11 06:11 [#00214756]
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they probably are trying to use "virtual" child porn as a lure to identify those who are interested in child porn... then try to sell them real child porn... then prosecute them... then brag about how they caught more child porners
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-05-11 06:20 [#00214760]
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The anime lobby must've got hold of this one. ha ha, just kidding ...
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Zombiekev
from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-05-11 06:36 [#00214769]
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have you ever noticed that most asian porn stars look really young, but they are probably in their late twenties and thirties.
asian porn is good enough. i guess virtual is okay. but children, that's completely out of the question.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-05-11 06:37 [#00214770]
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:O - save the women and children!!!
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nanotech
from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2002-05-11 07:02 [#00214784]
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you guys are looking at the here and now of things...i'd totally go out and buy a movie that featured an extremely life like digital child-pron star...look at the final fantasy movie...the main charecter is going to star in other cg movies to become the world's first digital actress w/ a portfolio. Just picture a very hot 15 year old doing porn...
btw, i'm hardly 20 years old...and two years ago i dated and had sexual relations w/ a 15 yr old...so it's not that huge of a age gap...infact i'm barlely an "adult" myself...
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-11 07:14 [#00214789]
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I had a sexual relationship w/ a 15 year old when I was 19. But like I said, that kinda shit is legal where I live. She was also more mature than a lot of 20 year old chix I know...
When I was 21 I had a short relationship w/ a 37 year old female...
Thats the furthest I have been from my own age in both directions.
I don't necessarily feel that say, cgi porn with 15 year olds is necessarily tacky. Well, all cgi porn is pretty absolutely tasteless. But its when the characters get younger, then it gets gross.
But on the flipside, I don't believe in government control of things like sex, drugs, entertainment, religion, or any mix of those or related subjects.
I think that people should learn to act w/ a bit more responsibility in the way we carry out our sex lives. Most adults act as tho they 14 year olds when it comes to this kinda shit.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-11 08:48 [#00214852]
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stop preying on little girls, they don't know better
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-11 08:49 [#00214855]
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Who are you talking to?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-11 08:51 [#00214860]
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the both of ye.. restrain yourselves, take responsibility
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-11 08:55 [#00214866]
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Are you drunk or something?
I was just ranting about how people have issues taking responsibility.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-11 08:57 [#00214871]
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wasn't referring to that, just the whole underage girls thing
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john is fast
from sacramento (United States) on 2002-05-11 08:59 [#00214873]
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virtual child porn might interest a few nasty old men and then they will look for the real thing and real children. its like holding plastic meat that smells real in front of a dog, eventually its going to try and find real food once it gets its saliva going.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-11 09:02 [#00214877]
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What are you talking about???? Are you on crack?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-11 09:03 [#00214880]
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tru dat
taxi: i was mostly referring to things nano said, but also something you said in the other thread.. nevermind tho
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john is fast
from sacramento (United States) on 2002-05-11 10:47 [#00214954]
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we dont agree with my thoughts on virtual child porn tax?
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2002-05-11 11:57 [#00214973]
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No no no, our society shouldnt accept any form of child pornography !
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-05-11 12:08 [#00214976]
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the biggest problem with legislation is that no-one seems able to define what "Pornography" actually IS .
Apparently the US courts agreed on a definition whereby "any depiction of sexual activity..." = porn.
arguably therefore , nudity is not porn 'per se'.
Although if you live in the kind of place where a woman can be arrested for breast-feeding her baby in a park, then absolutely ANY image featuring human-beings could wind you up in jail. People need to chill-out !!!
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Ubik
from United States on 2002-05-11 14:58 [#00215064]
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society should just spay/neuter all humans over the age of 25 or 30, especially males, and society would be a much better place... things like child porn would disapear, everybody would get along better, everybody would be happier....
i know that sounds like a stupid joke, but why do you think they do it to dogs and cats?
male sexuality gets more and fucked fucked up the older guys get
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-05-11 15:43 [#00215071]
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legislating mutilation to make things better ?
Oh boy, hope you never have to make decisions that affect my life :((
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-05-11 15:47 [#00215072]
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I think what it boils down to:
Is CG child porn offensive? To most people, yes. Should you go to jail for distribution or possession? no.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-05-11 15:57 [#00215075]
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The problem is that it does give people an excuse to say "I didn't know it was real" And how are the police going to check if it's real or not?
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-05-11 16:05 [#00215078]
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Ok, that's going a bit beyond my statement, which assumes that the porn is definitely CG.
We have a whole court system with juries and expert witnesses which can help with situations like these. That's what they are for.
It may come down to CG porn requiring a digital watermark stating the time and place of production and a responsible person, in a similiar manner to the laws (in the USA) requiring the producers of adult movies to keep records of the performers' ages.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-05-11 16:25 [#00215084]
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That's how I meant it, I agree with your statement but it's going to be a huge obstacle trying to prove someone did or didn't know about the actual content of the material.
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2002-05-11 16:36 [#00215085]
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The real question is, will it be InteractiveTM??
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-05-11 17:55 [#00215128]
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IF YOU HAVE ANY AFFILITION WITH CHILD PORN OR YOU HAVE EVER LOOKED AT IT......YOU SHOULD BE SHOT DEAD !!! NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
THATS THE SICKEST SHIT EVER !!!!
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 18:07 [#00215140]
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what do you class as child porn then
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-05-11 18:09 [#00215144]
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B3n---if you even have to ask that ??? thats gross...
obscene pictures of any child under the age of 18.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-05-11 18:15 [#00215151]
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So virtual 17 year, 11 months and 29 days old girls showing their breasts is worse than a real 18 year old girl doing fisting and S&M?
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2002-05-11 18:18 [#00215156]
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Absolutely. Once we start dilluting the lines, we'll turn into Japan.
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-05-11 18:20 [#00215160]
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in my opinion it is....
18 year old women (although they are still just girls) is the legal age under law
once a male or female reaches 18 then they are considered an adult (althought few ever act like one) and they may do whatever they want under the law
SORRY TO GET ALL DEEP ON YA, BUT CHILD PORN OF ANY KIND IS FUCKING GROSSEST THING IN THE WORLD !!
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-05-11 18:24 [#00215169]
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this is a very interesting topic.
I believe in freedom of expression, no matter how extreme.
Abusing children to make porn is disgusting, but what is wrong with cg child porn in itself? And then there's the discussion wether pedofilia is moraly wrong or just a cultural taboo (ok, flamebait :).
we're going to have to deal with a lot of this stuff in the near future when the boundaries between real and cg disappear.
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2002-05-11 18:25 [#00215170]
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Note, Laserbeak, showing breasts is not pr0n. There are plenty of books where children are photographed nude. Your example isn't really fair. Nude photgraphy isn't a crime (yet).
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-05-11 18:32 [#00215187]
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Are you dilluting the lines? Are you approving child-erotica?
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-05-11 18:35 [#00215192]
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internet or pics or the real thing....CHILD PORN IS FUCKING SICK....
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2002-05-11 18:38 [#00215198]
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It was a comment on your example. S&M performed by a child is not the same as showing breasts. No I'm not approving anything.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-05-11 18:46 [#00215215]
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...and that's exactly what B3n meant by saying "what do you class as child porn then?" part 1: what's a child?, part 2: what's porn? Many people consider nudity as porn.
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-05-11 18:50 [#00215218]
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nudity for adults over 18 is great...but under 18 its child porn
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-05-11 18:54 [#00215227]
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Not (yet) in my country....
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 18:59 [#00215234]
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"B3n---if you even have to ask that ??? thats gross...
obscene pictures of any child under the age of 18."
But it *HAS* to be asked, or else the laws would be meaningless.
You really think that someone who has sex with a 17 year old a day under 18 is SICK compared to someone who sleeps with an 18 year old? That's just idiotic IMO, the law should be adhered to, to protect those vulnerable and younger but that doesn't make everyone who breaks it sick even if they still deserve to be punished. I mean, I agree that we have to draw the line somwhere but I agree with laserbreaks point of view.
I was drinking years and years before I was 18 but I didn't overnight get all mature and be able to handle alcohol responsibly but there does need to be a law to stop people harming themselves.
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-05-11 19:30 [#00215268]
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recycle>
my parents have family albums of me & my sister playing naked in our garden during hot summer afternoons aged around 3-8. thats nudity. thats under 18. So they have child porn in the house ? I have to admit, if anyone outside the family were shown pics of me as a kid, it wouldn't bother me a bit whether they were naked pics or not...I have no complex over my childhood innocence whatever.
I just think you're being over-zealous. Nudity is fine, just draw the line at actual sexual activity and lewdness involving kids .....IMO.
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-05-11 22:57 [#00215410]
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smokehammer ----yeah all parents took the "funny naked babies in the bathtub" shot and thats fine , but making profit or getting off on that is fucked up
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Mr_Flappypants
from Louisville (United States) on 2002-05-11 23:21 [#00215441]
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you're saying pictures of nude people under the age of 18 is bad, even if there is no sexual stuff having to do with it?
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 23:37 [#00215457]
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i think those "pampers" adverts for nappies, with naked babies should be taken off tv!
they're ALWAYS on tv!
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 23:38 [#00215459]
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do they always hav to stroke the baby's bum?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-11 23:45 [#00215472]
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Hey, have you guys checked out this topic here? Its rad!!
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astrid-gil-botn
from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-12 00:05 [#00215489]
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our socitey loves child porn - britnety spears s club juniors - child pagents where little girls are dressed up to look like promn queens it's out there ----
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