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What I always have found as weird is the fact that during man's ealiest roots, if you died, you were just left there. No one cared, there was no emotion toward death, everything just moved on. Scienctists found the earliest signs of funerals, where tribes left flowers where people in their tribe had died. It was the beginnings of sadness. |
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Hmmm.. |
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yes yes |
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How do they know there was no emotion towards death? |
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bodies were found on randomly scattered amonf the land, sometimes even used as bait to lourer other animals in for the kill. There was no bond between people due to lack of language, but eventually people were burried, and graves were created |
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emotional purpose and social function were important then... everyone had a role. Elders walked off into the wilderness and were never seen again. Now many people serve no purpose to anybody or anything, except to consume..consume..consume... Burial was, i believe initially, a way of preventing disease and the nuisance of vermin, the ceremony thing was much later... hmmm |
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Actually roles were not then as they are now. People did not stay int he same roaming tribes, they would work at times to kill animals for food, but did not have committment to each other. They were nomads, burial did not serve the purpose of preventing disease as they did never stayed in the same region. Also, vermin would not be a nuisance because there were dead animals all around, and vermin such maggots don't exactly take over anything. They just eat and return to the ground, not much trouble. |
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OK bro' sorry to ruffle the thread I bow to your superior knowledge on corpses etc |
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i wasn't trying to be mean hammer, I was just responding to your comments. I just thought this topic was really interesting, it kinda feels like sadness and other emotions are just socially constructed |
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I don't think emotions are socially constructed but socially constructed situations for the expressions of emotion are... "hate week" 1984 I guess thats all a control thing, and TV and the media plays an important role nowadays. Like when the Queen Mother died and everyone had to pretend to be sad. Shops were closing for mourning everywhere, but Its hard to imagine myself getting so wound up in the whole celebrity side-show thing. then again blah blah I'm jibbering again :) |
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when queen mom died and everyone pretended to be sad? I didnt see that. I could have honestly cared less about her old ass dyin. Shes just a person, more important people die every fuckin day. Emotions are largly based on socially constructed occurances throughout life. |
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neadrothals buried their dead too (or it may have been some other near-human species, i dont remember) interesting, isn't it? we always consider oursevles HERE ...and animals down HERE most people dont realize there were species OTHER than humans (and which did not even evolve into us) that buried their dead, made tools, wore (basic) clothes, had fire, shelter, etc freaky.... |
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Hey Zen Storm .. Elephants show a period of mourning (sadness?) following the death of a relative (member of the tribe or whatever its called for elephants) .. don't know about Dolphins though. [despite them having a more developed brain than homo sapiens !!! - larger and more convoluted!] While flowers might be an indication of sadness and such, i think its a bit of a leap to say that without flowers or burying ritual = no sadness? Just a thought anyway.. |
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good point... ya i saw this documentary on elephants and death.. ..when the tribe(?) of elephants passes the skelaton of a dead elephant... ...they get all quiet and sombre and depressed.. ..they very gently handle the bones and such good point about the flowers too... ...even cats/dogs can show sadness when someone they are close to leaves (and there are cases of dogs saving peoples lives.....suggesting they can understand that people can be hurt/die?...who knows) |
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Science and induction - leaves a lot to be desired! |
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Behaviourists have a big thing against ascribing/attributing emotions to actions to animals, which makes sense from the behaviourist point of view [as they only look at behaviour/expressed actions - and so emotions and such seem irrelevant in light of this paradigm]. However, this doesn't go to say, that this is the case. What is truth and knowledge anyway .. :) |
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