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I personally think it is, I hear people called 'geniuses' all the time. Now, when I first got into DJ Shadow I called him a genius, but now I just reckon his an extremely talented guy, got a good ear. But when it comes down to it he's just making collages of sound. With aphex, I dunno whether I'd call him a genius...but he did pioneer Drill N bass so that's a pretty big achievement. What it comes down to is I think if someone spends enough time working on music they are bound to get good at it. I bet even aphex has got some real shit (and hey, he even released some of it =)) |
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Yes, I think the term Genius is overused somewhat. Though in MHO I think Richard is a genius. Or atleast a crazy genius :) Oh yeah, and I'd like to hear some of the supposed shit he has released!! =D |
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well genius only truly means a recepticle, or a person's higher spiritual guide (HSG). how it's come to be bandied about so frequently is a mystery - no human is a genius! |
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speaking as a genius myself I can honestly say it IS overused. Most of my friends are also geniuses and we feel people like Einstein and Bob Dylan give us TRUE geniuses a bad name. |
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Fraud! |
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VENTOLIN ist scheisse!¬! . and I dislike AB2 |
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B3n..... typo ? but yes , Freud IS a genius also, as you appear to be suggesting. :P |
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haha, I mean't you are a fraud, but thats pretty funny =) |
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"VENTOLIN ist scheisse!¬! and I dislike AB2" *Runs into corner sobbing. Hugs Ventolin and AB2 and comfort's them. "I still love you guys", I tell them through my continued sobbing. "Thank you" they tell me, "Some people think we are freaks, havent you heard the saying Don't judge a book by it's cover? We make look like freaks but inside we are all truely beautiful people". I'm so touched by the emotion of it all. As a sign of his happiness Ventolin lets out a loud ear shattering screech. He tells me he feels much better, atleast I think thats what he said.* :) |
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I totally agree with you. i wouldnt call aphex a genius at all! Niels Bohr and einstein are a geniuses. The japanese boy whos 7 years old and studies chemistry is a genius. =) and yes, many people who are just talented suddently becomes "geniuses". |
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Of course they meant to say "we may look like freaks..." I'm still so emotional right now I can't type. :) |
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Ventolin... pah. i fart in your direction. the remixes are kind of interesting tho. |
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Pioneers but not geniuses then again, I'd be happy with that =) |
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ventolin is a great track! |
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RDJ is not a genius... hes just a mad scientist {music maker}.... he didnt pioneer DrillNBass, there were people doing it before he was. Ventolin is one of the most "talented" and "genius" like materials he has created. Not because I think its so good, its becuase he took something so harsh and tuned it into a beat, he takes these sounds and its SO different from all other AFX releases..... it speaks bounds for Aphex Twin. That was pretty much the creative peak, and hopefully not the last one of his career. |
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" he didnt pioneer DrillNBass, there were people doing it before he was. " oh god I just knew someone would say that |
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B3n: but its true.... |
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But not as succesfull as him. =) ventolin is crap. get into atari teenage riot, and forget about anything else wannabe hard music. |
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DirtyPriest::, there are a good few bands far cooler and more hardcore with techno that ATR. Atari Teenage Riot is good... but not that good. I own 3 albums by them... its nothing too special for me. The Shizit is fuckin way cooler..... way way way way cooler. Ventolin is a masterpiece. |
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to be labelled a genius, one usually has to be multi-talented... apart from making soundscapes, what else does richard do? i make music, am a published poet/short story writer, wrote 2 novels by the age of 20, wrote 3 piano sonatas by the age of 19, wrote an opus of waltzes aged 18! hell i even wrote a musical (jokingly engaged now - an acronym of the girl it was about - at the age of 15!!) now THAT'S what i call genius bAbY!!! |
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Teah, I'm not doubting his technical achievement, it was a bad example really, I just personally dislike it |
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What about the term Creative Genius? Do you think that is a better term than just genius? I mean I guess I call Richard a genius, or a creative genius, but I think I use the term very informaly. I don't think he is a God or anything, just a very talented creative person. |
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when I think genius i only think of those wiz kids that can figure out crazy equations in a matter of a second. |
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like dustin hoffman in the rainman.. |
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YES! |
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"to be labelled a genius, one usually has to be multi-talented... apart from making soundscapes, what else does richard do?" He painted the front cover of ICBYD and has done lot's of photography (SAW2, Drukqs). And he is a professonal lier :) |
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he's also a master of marketing I personally think that's one of his best skills |
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a computer can work out crazy equations in a split-second. being able to work out crazy equations just means the brain is rewired slightly differently in that person's case - seeing them as a genius is just being shallow and one-dimensional. we are at least partly mechanical beings after all |
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Marlowe, you are a very creative person, not a genius. =) IMHO. |
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"when I think genius i only think of those wiz kids that can figure out crazy equations in a matter of a second." Yes, that is very true. |
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marlowe: thats not true. ofcourse he is conditioned properly, but no one does that on purpose, they have gifts...... he or his father/mother didnt wake up one day and decide at a yound age to start him on grueling tests and mental preperation.... its a gift.. and they learn. |
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being a bullshit artist isn't that hard - especially when you are in richard's position. his photography isn't the work of genius - it is interesting to be sure, same as his artwork - personally i prefer syd barrett's artwork |
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Well I reckon that most of us are made equal, its just some people have all their abilities in one place. hence maths geeks with no social skills |
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it's not "a gift" - it's a different configuration of the neural network |
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er i'm off for a shower |
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Now dustin hoffman, he's a genius. |
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"a computer can work out crazy equations in a split-second. being able to work out crazy equations just means the brain is rewired slightly differently in that person's case - seeing them as a genius is just being shallow and one-dimensional. we are at least partly mechanical beings after all" Ooooh, I don't know what to think now! You're all bringing some valid points to the table (IMO). |
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enjoy it ben! i'm off for a bath as soon as it cools down! started reading "godel escher and bach - the eternal golden braid" again - you know, i think i understand it this time round! :) |
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yeah i was thinking that this is a good rebuke to the post saying there were many shit posts on this board (i agree there is) - this is an interesting discussion :) |
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"being a bullshit artist isn't that hard - especially when you are in richard's position. his photography isn't the work of genius - it is interesting to be sure," Well I don't really think his photography is a work of genius, as I said I use the term very informally so I guess I shouldn't use it :) From now on I'll call him a highly talented person in the field of music! |
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hear hear! never again shall the word "genius" be used in connexion with AFX again! :) |
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I´ve become disillusioned. No-one is a genius now in my oppinion! Thank you for clearing that out for me. |
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"hear hear! never again shall the word "genius" be used in connexion with AFX again! :)" Yes, only "talented" and "fucking cunt" :) |
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And, 'I can't believe I spent my money on people singing happy birthday' =) |
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"And, 'I can't believe I spent my money on people singing happy birthday' =)" *laughing* :) That got me thinking, I wonder if Einstein's parents were smart? |
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gen·iusPronunciation Key (jnys) n. pl. gen·ius·es Extraordinary intellectual and creative power. A person of extraordinary intellect and talent: “One is not born a genius, one becomes a genius” (Simone de Beauvoir). A person who has an exceptionally high intelligence quotient, typically above 140. A strong natural talent, aptitude, or inclination: has a genius for choosing the right words. One who has such a talent or inclination: a genius at diplomacy. The prevailing spirit or distinctive character, as of a place, a person, or an era: the genius of Elizabethan England. pl. ge·ni·i (jn-) Roman Mythology. A tutelary deity or guardian spirit of a person or place. A person who has great influence over another. A jinni in Muslim mythology. [Middle English, guardian spirit, from Latin. See gen- in Indo-European Roots.] |
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Richard is a creative musical genius for sure, and just about the only one thats left. However I do think the term is overused, but in Richard's case not at all. The only other genius at being able to do everything is David Bowie. Bowie is by far the most versatile and intellectual musician walking the planet. Hes really the first one who brought intelligence into music, and whatever else he has influenced in popculture... The only musician who can challenge him intellectually is his good friend Brian Eno ( who is a truly an authority on how life and society works, thats why hes constantly being asked by even governments for info on this and that, and gives lectures about the cybernetics and dynamics of life as we know it). Bowie is the same way, and only uses music as a tool for his way of seeing society and how its run. But in terms of musical creativity RDJ is a Genius without a shadow of a doubt. Theres reason why so many artists look at him for inspiration and ideas. This all sounds biased, but in terms of the word GENIUS, I dont think I have seen an artist thats come along in the past 15 years or so that has been called a genius by public, critics and fellow musicians as much as RDJ. For the ones who dont believe RDJ's so-called hype ( and yes, some of it is) will see it later as the years go on. Trust me.. |
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David bowie? He cant be a genius if he let samantha mumba cover him :) |
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I'd let her cover me any day |
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Resident Evil from Melbourne (Australia) on 2002-04-21 14:32 [#00186957] Points: 550 Status: Old daddy "to be labelled a genius, one usually has to be multi-talented... apart from making soundscapes, what else does richard do?" He painted the front cover of ICBYD and has done lot's of photography (SAW2, Drukqs). And he is a professonal lier :) > i doubt about the fact he really painted the front cover of ICBYD... maybe he just used a painting program... :) |
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