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Hi, Anyone knows if this is legit or fake? |
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For those afraid of possible virus: |
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It's a great track, no? |
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not feelin' it, hope it's fake |
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too busy, the last min or so when there's some space in there is alright but it's nothing special. if it is ae it's a bit disappointing somebody scan that qr code |
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the vocal samples are a bit too on the nose. generally it reeks of trying too hard, probably another turd by that gl0tch dikhead |
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ahaha gl0tch, i'd forgotten all about that bloody fiasco |
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That track sounds like Richard Devine, to my ears. It's kinda cool after a few listenings, but not very strong. It could be Ae, but I hope it's not. |
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sadly it's legit |
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Oh go away! |
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How do you know? Heard samples? |
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Are you scared to say wether you think it's Autechre or not? I seem to be alone here but it's a good track. |
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If it is Autechre, I will love it. If not, I will delete it from computer forever. |
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It is a grower, I really hope it's Ae now. |
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it's not a good track. nor a grower. jesus christ what is a "grower" anyway? you understand that if it wouldn't be autechre you woulnd't give two fucks about it. srsly why do people keep forcing themselves to listen to music because it's made by their (once) favourite artist instead of discovering some new stuff that they might actually like. give me back my time lost on exai. twats. |
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A grower is a track that I didn't like on the first listenings but started to like afterwards. Like when you don't fall in love at first sight, but after a few weeks or so. Like when you tasted wine while being a child and didn't like it ; and now you can't stop drinking it. Like when you don't understand a poem, then you get it and everything in it seems perfect. Anyway, it should be a known fact that human beings never like or dislike something with an objective point of view, but rather in relation to other people and to beliefs or ideals. Didn't you end up liking Exai, sadist? |
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i know what a grower is. that was a rethorical question. but it's different when you come back to a certain album by yourself because you at least feel intrigued by it. there must be at least that "spark" or at least some portion that you like to begin with. like, maybe "drukqs". the obvious drill'n'bass tracks clicked after a second, but before i accepted the album as a whole, with all tracks, it took me quite a while. for a few months i deliberately deleted "gvarek 2" from my folder. those are good examples, with wine or a poem. but first, both are generally considered "worthwile" and have some artistic, emotional value. second, you said yourself that you change your attitude towards it over YEARS. now let's look at abstract art. abstract art changes fucking EVERYTHING, because it does in it's essence, have no deeper meaning or emotion, or it has, but in a very non-obvious way. imho, abstract art should be ONLY considered as "i like it", or "i don't" without any need for explanation nor deeper thought. think of it as faith in god. either you do or you don't. you can of course try to convince me or yourself that there is a particular reason for ou doing so, but that's pretty pointless. now i mentioned faith, as this pretty much sums up our situation here. because the only possible way of still liking autechres music is to have faith that they do in fact, not throw kittens on their keyboards and record the output on a cassette recorder with bad batteries. the melodic content is not holding any scale, the beats are getting more and more syncopated and dequantized, the soundspace is getting more cluttered, loosing all the essence of old-autechres surgical sound. i find, honestly more joy in listening to harsh noise for as beside the lack of any logic, it at least has destructive and extreme elements which i cherrish. i'm getting to the point where i start to believe that this boils down to extreme fanboyism and the "autechre could release anything, and you would like i |
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i don't know about exai as i stopped listening to it. i felt pretty much forcing myself to do so, which was beyond pointless. it's not a good album. it's not even a mediocre album. it's not an album that is good, but i simply do't like it (because such an album, is confield). it's kittens on synths. |
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everything you wrote is wrong, including thus track being legit. your understanding of "abstract art" is laughably closed minded. sit down, take a break. |
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do you like exai? |
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@sadist :"imho, abstract art should be ONLY considered as "i like it", or "i don't" without any need for explanation nor deeper thought" This is a very interesting view. But as you asked (ironically) what is a grower, I could as well ask "what is abstract art ?". I guess it means : "not representative". But what is representative music? Ain't music always abstract, except when it's "concrete" (Pierre Henry, Pierre Schaeffer...). Ain't poems by Mallarmé abstract? They deserve more than a reading though, in my opinion. As for listening to Exai, or that "tac lacora" leak, first : I think there should be more because know that Autechre usually put a lot of things in their songs, and second : I like some parts of the album (and of that track) as you said for Drukqs. Anyway I'm down with you on the "faith" thingy. I don't think it would be a bad thing to listen to other stuff (I don't listen to IDM very often by now) but I'm still intrigued by what those guys will release. |
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yes, the definition of asbtract is in fact "not representative". pieces are often experienced in very various ways, so an objective review isn't really possible. it's a very personal experience so in case you wanted to delve deeper you would rather have to study the reviewer than the piece of art itself. but back to autechre. what i always admired was the highly technical aspect of their music, which very often overshadowed a lack of melodical content for me. i was mostly amazed by the fact that as a producer i very often could not figure out how certain sounds were created, which in case of electronic music is often very obvious. take gantz graf for example. it's some kind of granular synthesis, but i've yet to hear any software or hardware that would emit a sound that would come at least close to what they did. their albums very often reflected their choice of synths an gear at the specific time, and always evolved. see max/msp for ep7, some weird granular stuff / sequencing on draft, elektron gear for untilted, this certain diffuse reverb for quaristice etc. now for the last few releases their sound just got very stale and unimpressive. there is just not enough innovation in their sound to keep me interested. the music has certainly gotten this "live-aspect" that they mentioned they wanted to achieve, but they have done it enough on the quadrange eps. thing is that implying that this sound they now favour is the "real autechre sound" in all its' maturity, then i never really liked autechre but the person selecting the tracks for their albums / eps. |
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You are right in saying that the last albums are not as good as the older ones. I say "good" on purpose, without any criteria (I'm not a producer, for example), without knowing why. It's just my feeling. Talking only about the albums, the first two were like 9/10, Tri Repetae to Confield 10/10, Draft 8/10 and Untilted 6/10 to my ears. I didn't like Quaristice at all, and found Oversteps only enjoyable. Exai is in my opinion on a par with Untilted. Lots of the sounds are as uninteresting and unoriginal, but the rhythms, the progressions and the dark atmosphere are great. I'm happy they didn't release bullshit in 2013 (as BoC did, in my opinion, except for a two or three tracks on the LP) and I had the faith that their future stuff would be interesting, that's why I couldn't wait for L-event. Back to "tac Lacora". At first I thought it was very weak. And that's true, sound-wise. There's not a lot of depth neither, and I'm not sure it could be due to the bad quality of the mp3. But I like the rhythm, the straightforward composition (though it's not so simple) and I'm not trying to force myself to like more than I could try with any other artist I could be advised to check, based on friend advises or reviews. I'm not sure at all that Autechre are trying to do Autechre. I rather think that they have fun making THIS music right now, and release it. Of course if they used a pseudonym, not a lot of people will buy it, because they won't TRY HARDER. But it's because in our society and all music around, we have no time to try harder unless we have faith that it would pay. I was half kidding when I said that I won't listen again if it's not them: In fact I just wouldn't try hard, and probably the number of listenings could be too small for me to like it. *** Anyway, you didn't answer about the possibilité of a non-abstract music. |
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The greatest minds of our generation discussing music with 'sadist' the producer LOL |
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He's an angry little sadist, bless him. And unlike me, he knows right from wrong when it comes to good and bad music. I wish i had his taste. |
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you can always mail me if you need to know what's good and what's bad |
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By the way, Sadist, wasn't it you who changed his mind about Exai or at least said that the three last songs on it are great? I can't find the post so probably it wasn't you. |
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sorry missed your question there. music is in fact the most abstract art so saying that there is non-abstract or even as you called it, representative music is quite the stretch. but there are ways of making music more enjoyable (at least for the majority). otherwise pop wouldn't exist at all. you use mainly major minor chords, simple instruments, a clear song layout, "hooks" etc. i am not knowledgeable enough to know exactly why that is like that, though. |
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oh i was i was. the second half of the album has some enjoyable moments. |
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Though I understand your point about "no clue how they do that...", and find it very interesting (it can be applied to paintings, for instance), don't you think that Max/msp or granular effects would seem easy and unoriginal to you once you would be taughed by Sean (or Rob) how to use them properly (I guess you can't right now, since you are still impressed)? Then the originality of the results wouldn't be a criterion anymore for finding the music interesting or not, maybe. |
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not at all. i would probably even be more astounded as i am pretty sure that a lot of their patents are very simple / accidental findings. (not to say that i don't care about this kind of things. i was quite often disappointed by some artists "liveset" when it ended up being a crossfade between his studio tracks in ableton) fact is, that they invented / found the sound and somehow made a decent track with it combining it with others. that's the whole spirit. their sound design simply shows all the hours spent in the studio, tinkering with different gear and software which i admire a lot. |
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I think that the essential point, when it comes to abstract art, is not "How do they do that?" but: "I didn't know that such a thing could exist." And that's why even a non-producer can be amazed. |
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(I wrote my last post before reading yours.) Yes, it's also about combining the results of their aural researches in a good way. They still manage to combine things in an original way, at least. And simplicity is impressive, also. Like an easy solution to a tough enigma. |
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sOmeOne iNvEnT nEw dRug? i tend to disagree. Until the DUB riddle is solved were stuck like a stick in the mud |
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nth wave DUB it iz |
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DUB doesn't need to die either |
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Do U think L-event was made with DUBturbo? Be more clear! (it could be) |
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no iz discuss regarding soing??? plates it iz lulz |
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recipe thing it iz |
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how much apparatus isn't working |
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here you go fuckers. |
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Any sample there? |
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dense "M39 Diffain" (M-2), sound was rough the "tac Lacora" (M-1), a hard random beat to jack the ear suddenly is rampant comes popping out one after another "Osla for n" (M-3) , and series of frosty electronic sound goes quite hot gradually dynamic "newbound" and (M-4), beat, tone, and even the sound-scape, calculate of Rob and Sean in all songs It is nothing left, production God has bought and Save! artwork is in charge of Designers Republic this time course that review of tac lacora is pretty spot on with the leak |
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10 days left and still no samples, no complete leak! |
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Any clue when the samples will be up? |
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there actually were samples there but the links got taken down. do you guys wear hats? because once you listen to the following (literally) real samples: http://211.132.171.245/rm/CM-0044559_1_1.rm http://211.132.171.245/rm/CM-0044559_1_2.rm http://211.132.171.245/rm/CM-0044559_1_3.rm http://211.132.171.245/rm/CM-0044559_1_4.rm you will eat your hats if you believed in that earlier leak being legit. |
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Someone record them before the samples get removed for good! |
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And yes, I wear a hat. Gonna put it at once, leave work and go home to listen. In a fucking hurry. |
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Listening... |
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Well... well... well... It sounds great! : ) |
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