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offline nightex from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2012-03-01 21:52 [#02430165]
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offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2012-03-01 22:46 [#02430169]
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The optimist is correct.


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2012-03-02 10:15 [#02430184]
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Yes, the optimist.

Great talk. Will definitly fav+ it!


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2012-03-02 14:05 [#02430194]
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The optimist is a much better speaker and he's much better
prepared.

But both these guys are narrativists. They look at what's
happening in the world and shoehorn it into their preferred
stories.

This is what people do and it's how we make sense of the
world and our lives, BUT this is not the kind of thinking I
turn to when I want informed projections.

I wish the optimist had talked more about energy - what he
said about the amount of energy falling on the earth and the
steadily decreasing price of capturing it was fascinating. I
was recently trying to tell a friend who's a fission /
fusion enthusiast that we're already orbiting a fusion
reactor 100 times the earth's diameter but he just gave me a
sour look.

And the pessimist, jesus, he might as well have just put on
a Nine Inch Nails album and stood there crying and cutting
his arm with a razor.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2012-03-02 14:28 [#02430195]
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There's a fairly common school of thought that which view is
"right" in terms of more accurate/balanced isn't relevant.
The majority of human beings pick the optimistic view
because we have evolved to be naturally optimistic. Optimism
causes us to achieve more than being pessimistic would (even
if we don't meet all the goals our optimism sets us). This
results in us surviving more effectively and, let's not
under-estimate the importance of this, be happier.


 

offline nightex from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2012-03-02 19:10 [#02430202]
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can we be sure that overpopulation, energy and oil crisis
will be solved. I believe that both are wrong. Peter
Diamandis talks about bright future, but his arguments
supported by only hypothetical technologies. Meanwhile Paul
Gilding is stating hypothetical problems like
overpopulation, no one rly knows what technologies we will
have in 50 years and what will be our possibilities to solve
this problem. Those projections however is mathematically
probable, but also technological advancement and Moores law
states that technology will grow exponentially and in fact
it is growing exponentially. Those presentations when taken
separately reflecting only one side of coin thats I say they
are wrong, but together they complement each other.

>to Ceri JC I think you are right. Thats why ancient Greeks
philosophers lold at those who presented and cried about
obvious problems. If you state problem this is pessimistic
view, if you state problem and hypothetical solution this is
optimism. Problem is that to be pessimistic it is much
easier than optimistic, and pessimism is more viral, I think
we need to be more mentally prepared for confronting
pessimism. We need to recognize pessimism and turn off
pessimistic subconscious thoughts.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2012-03-02 20:26 [#02430203]
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offline nightex from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2012-03-02 20:46 [#02430205]
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This is epic :D lol


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2012-03-03 13:39 [#02430236]
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That's true. Optimism is adaptive, absolutely. But knowing
that we see the world through rose colored glasses - or at
leas we do if we're not suffering from depressive realism - we
need to take that bias into account when evaluating the
actual state of affairs.

I like the Nietzschean stance of accepting the shit state of
things but saying yes to it anyways.

(which is not to say that I have an unproblematically
positive view of Nietzsche - hardly)


 


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