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manicminer
from Paris (France) on 2002-04-03 12:16 [#00156169]
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Here in Newcastle (and indeed throught the North East of England) we have strange cultural phenomenon known as "charvas". These are youths who wear alot of sportswear (e.g. horrible Adidas, Ellesse, Kappa, etc tops), generally have shaved heads, wear lots of gold jewellery, smoke loads of cigarettes and cause quite a lot of hassle.
The magazine Viz has two characters that caricature Charvas rather well: Kappa Slappa and Rat Boy - go to www.viz.co.uk to check them out.
There is also a Charva website: www.charvas.co.uk and a site for charva music: www.onthemic.co.uk
They take lots of ecstasy, smoke bad cheap hash and speak in a very regional dialect. They also tend to punctuate every sentence with the words "fuck" and "cunt" and basically have no hope in life whatsoever. They are often parents before the age of 18.
Do people in other parts of the country / the world also have charvas? And if so, what are they like and what do you call them?
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2002-04-03 12:21 [#00156172]
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yeah of course, with little differences, they don't have much jewelry but they are crazy about gsm! and use other word to punctuate their talk, but they seem to be the same! we call various names depending of the area, i often call them 'ron' or 'ronies'
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-04-03 12:22 [#00156173]
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Wow, i thought my country had an exclusive right to this kind of people. We have them, you bet you arse. Here, we call them "dizelasi" which could be translated as "diesel boys" as they were first famous for wearing these ridiculously baggy diesel jeans. They listen to a lot of cheap folk-tinged pop music over here and a lot of them are criminals to an extent. They don't take that much E, though (still a drug of choice for ravers etc.) and for some time they were almost unified against drukqs, until the drukqs kicked in heavily, so it's mostly pot, pills and heroin for most of them today.
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-03 12:27 [#00156175]
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we have loads of them around a shopping center here called merry hill. we call them 'shoplifters'
manic-did you see billy connoly on monday night? he was giving a tour of the north east- i learnt two things-what 'maccams' are and where the phrase 'geordie' came from. doubt if hell come to brum though. all we have to show the world is brown coloured canals and people with rediculously stupid accents. like moi...i mean me.
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manicminer
from Paris (France) on 2002-04-03 12:32 [#00156177]
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Nah, didn't see it actually. Wish I had though. I've given up TV, which on the whole was a good choice, but sometimes I wish I still watched it for things like that.
Yeah, maccams are people from Sunderland and Wearside, and Geordies are from Newcastle and Tyneside. I think that's the only difference. They absolutely hate each other, which is quite spectacularly ridiculous, but quite funny at the same time.
God, I am sick of it up here. I'm considering moving to the South Coast after summer. Not sure how I'll afford it though.
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Chris Ochre
on 2002-04-03 12:38 [#00156186]
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Heh heh. Charvas also favour the Rockport brand of clothing, and will nearly always be wearing a cap. They need to be culled, as their population is reaching epidemic proportions...
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manicminer
from Paris (France) on 2002-04-03 12:39 [#00156188]
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Hey Chris - from Newcastle too?
Alright mate.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-04-03 13:12 [#00156213]
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In South Wales we call them Waynes as many of them are called Wayne (apologies to anyone named Wayne). They drive suped-up small cars and fit the below description.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-03 13:14 [#00156216]
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We? You're from Nottingham!
Oh wait, maybe you moved...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-04-03 13:15 [#00156219]
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Where did the word Charvas come from?
You could call them the urban working class - scum.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-04-03 13:15 [#00156221]
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Yeah, moved from Penarth nr Cardiff you Jack bastard (just kidding).
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-03 13:15 [#00156223]
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We used to call em townies, or Kappa Kunts, but now there's even skater and metal kids acting the same way with different clothes. I just call em 'people', and never go out.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-03 13:16 [#00156224]
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Then you might be looking forward to the upcoming welsh cup final, as I am... heh heh
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-04-03 13:19 [#00156229]
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Nah, I hate football.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-03 13:20 [#00156231]
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I didn't mention the football, I was talking about the fighting =o)
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-04-03 13:21 [#00156232]
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Oh right. Um, I'm not much of a fighter. Are you a Swansea supporter then?
I never understood the hatred between them.
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Chris Ochre
on 2002-04-03 14:58 [#00156323]
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About the Nu-Metal kids, we have stacks of them in Newcastle, and they ALL hang round in this one place (The Green) and do fuck-all all day, except 'hang out' and try and look cool. Fucking 12 year old morons with Slipknot hoodies and blue hair. "I'm just expressing my individualism", they protest. Bollocks, mate - you all look the same with your silly hair and your oversized jeans.
Most of them will have grown out of it by the time they're 18 too....
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manicminer
from Paris (France) on 2002-04-03 15:02 [#00156329]
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Oh my god, Ochre, you’re so right on that one. There are loads of them, and in a way they’re even more annoying than charvas. That “individuality” garbage is perhaps the most annoying thing of all about them. We call them “chundermongs”, because they seem to think they’re well ‘ardcore, but whenever we seem them at parties and that they always seem to chunder really early on and then mong.
By the way, seeing as we both live in Newcastle, do you fancy collaborating music-wise? You can hear my music at http://www.yorklabs.co.uk/manicminer
Email me to let me know Tim
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Chris Ochre
on 2002-04-03 15:06 [#00156336]
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I've always fould it difficult to work with anyone on electronic music, as I generally sit infront of the PC fiddling with stuff, programming notes in etc (I don't even have a MIDI keyboard). I'm not much of a spontaneous writer, so I'd probably just sit around and get embarrassed.
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Chris Ochre
on 2002-04-03 15:08 [#00156337]
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Not that I won't have a think about it. Where do you live? Wizards Teeth might be up for some collab.
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manicminer
from Paris (France) on 2002-04-03 15:11 [#00156340]
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I live in Sandyford (near Jesmond / Heaton).
I'm not spontaneous either and also just use software without a MIDI keyboard. THe best way to do it would be to exchange samples and stuff via the web I suppose. Like a lot of my tunes are half-finished and I don't know how to take them further, so I would like someone to collaborate with me by finishing them. And I would like to do the same. Also, remixing each other's tracks.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-04-03 15:21 [#00156349]
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I read an NME article last summer about moshers and townies. Apparently the townies mugg and harass the moshers in many cities around the country.
The other Saturday I was in town and this mosher kid ran up to me asking me to help his friend who was being attacked by some townie, council estate kids. I quickly intervened and saved the young middle class boy in the Slipknot T-shirt. I told the working class townies to bgo back to their alkie parents on their council estate.
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