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yes, it's true. in the sense of what punk is as a movement. punk music was initially designed to go outside the boundaries of how music was supposed to be. smae goes for IDM. it goes outside the lines of your traditional electronic music. just like your average rock-n-roller 'unlikes' punk because it does not make sens to him how the songs work same thing goes for your traditional synthetic music aficianado they do not understand how you can put together a song like "VENTOLIN" for example and still call that GOOD music. that's what drew me to IDM in the first place. it's like the guys in those old skool punk bands back in the day were like fuck the traditional the same thing i think applies to the new synthetic music makers they say fuck the rules. |
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I can understand how many people appreeciate the idea behind punk, but how can you like the music because of that? I don't really understand that... |
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the energy i guess and the lyrics. granted i know not all of the lyrics are brilliant but when they do have meaning and the music along with it really gets into your head about taking action against wrongs we have suffered. |
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I dunno, to each his own I guess... |
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that's the spirit! |
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well since this arguement started and way before I was always of that feeling... remember what I said, because I said "punk sucks" that's nothing against you or anyone whos likes punk... it's just my opinion... |
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Beatles= Punk, Stones= Punk, Who=Punk, Aphex=Punk, idiot garage band down the street from me= punk, Mozart= punk... you can stretch the definition any way you want. Doesn't change the fact that punk music sucks. (disclaimer, this post was ''in my opinion'', that's important...) |
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you like what you like... it doesn't matter what others think... God knows that most people would laugh at me for some of the stuff I love... I'm currently listening to some Phil Collins solo, and Phil Collins Genesis pop music now, so you can see my point... :) I like it, and if no one else does, well it's fine with me... |
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yeah, i dunno if that really applies to all of the artist you just named, imho of course. |
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hey man, i'm one of the most laid back people you will meet. because of my wide variety in the listening pool i don't ever feel like i need to knock something just because it's not my taste as well. i can dig it if you can. i don't feel my opinion matters much most of the time so i have learned to control my outburst and wisely choose my battles, only if i have done my homework. otherwise i don't want to end up sounding like an ass by stating anything that i don't know 100% about. i would rather not hear anyone say "i hate ____" because then that hate is returned to you tenfold. i'm smart enough not to mess with the cosmic powers of KARMA! |
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Genesis were more influential than the beatles funkmaster, they rule!!! or maybe not.. |
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in my class, pop culture, we studied punk music. and idm/experimental electronic music does contain some aspects of punk music. |
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I kind of agree with you EVOL, punk i a frame of mind, were you find the accepted pointless and outdated, and you wish to forge new things. People on this board hate punk rock, not the punk ethos. |
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tru |
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yeah...though im not really a fan of punk rock...'idm' does draw a lot of parallels...i guess its sort of like the new punk..since punk rock has been watered down and comodified in the form of a lot of 'alternative' music... i guess you can say hip hop was the punk of the late 80's and early 90's...but it has seen the same fate...watered down into an easily digestable product if you think of it...real punk, hip hop and 'idm' all have had the same ideas...they all sort of redefine the idea of being a musician, defy convention, have a diy aesthetic, have a small, dedicated following....hmm...its just a matter of time before idm becomes the next big thing...and is snatched up by the music industry to be watered down to be sold the hot new 'edgy' music... |
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OMG! it's working! i'm really getting through to people! hooray for persistance! |
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yea i've always thought so too. all really subversive music is punk. especially idm. that's why i think i have the punkest fucking show on my radio station. |
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i wanna hear it! |
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"Beatles= Punk, Stones= Punk, Who=Punk, Aphex=Punk, idiot garage band down the street from me= punk, Mozart= punk... you can stretch the definition any way you want. Doesn't change the fact that punk music sucks. (disclaimer, this post was ''in my opinion'', that's important...) " -Ophecks right on ophecks! its true.. just cus a kind of music is new or different doesn't neccessarily mean its good i personally hate punk (at least the punk that IVE heard).. its so boring and simple and.. well, STUPID it really is the lyrics are about nothing its nothing but power chords over and over again the music is about nothing other than jumping around smashin stuff cus ur mad.. mad at.. well, ull find SOMETHING, damn it! :) .. or somethign like that at least thats the punk music IVE heard.. btw: IMHO! (please dont yell at me..:) |
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haha, IDM pop music? That seems weird, but it probably will be the "new" music eventually... :) |
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OMG! No you didn't! damn dude i wrote a reply to the ""Punk rock" sucks" topic in the 75-100 range that i feel pretty accurately describes the mood, sense and feel of punk. please read it, #00150815 it starts off about class war. |
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"punk is about class war. the struggle between the lower class and the upper class. maybe that's why so many of you on here hate it becuase you have a silver fuckin' spoon up your fuckin' panzy asses. and maybe thats why it seems to have so much more meaning to us here in north america because there is a bigger gap between the have and the have nots. all you fuckin' lil rich kids with all your lil fuckin' techno fuckin' gear. no wonder you have no interest in punk because it doesn't stir up feelings inside of you. what do you have to be upset about you go to a perfectly good school and work at a normal job to lead your normal lil fuckin' lives. just as long as the queen (RxIxPx) doesn't take away your right to d/l along with all the other fuckin' freedoms she's done away with (i.e. your fuckin' privacy man) you will be happy! that's why you guys lost the fuckin' colonies 'cause you're a bunce of fuckin' sissy la-la's. over here, we actually stand up to injustices. and that is why punk connects to me and maybe not so much or at all for you. " -(thats ur post, EVOL, i thought i'd cutnpaste it for everyones reference) ok now: that was just VERY mis-informed of you.. my god.. ur living in some fucking fantasy world u dont know what ur talking about oh yeah.. the totalitarian dictator queen of england is taking away all their rights, oh ya, u know what a repressive regime england is.. meanwhile u live in the proud, land of the "free", where people "stand up to injustices"!??! u think ur some sort of freedom fighter rebeling against the rich aristocrats in england?!?! HAAAAAAAA! holy shit, r u twelve years old or do u work for the fucking white house!?? ya right, take a look around YOUR world, man i wasn't born with a fucking silver spoon "up my ass", but if i was (depending on whos defining silver spoon), so were u u live in fucking north america! u are among the most spoiled people on earth! i dont care if ur not well-off by north american standards: u have ac |
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....... u have access to the fucking internet! dont YOU talk about class wars, man.. even if ur not well off by north american standards, your still WAY better off than 95% of people.. if u were even close to a knowing what a class war was.. guess which side YOU would be on?! ALSO: no, im not some stuck up aristocrat who cant feel anything cus i live in some fucking castle off the backs of u poor colonsits lol i dont like punk cus i dont like the MUSIC i couldn't care less about the political message it is supposedly trying to convey, especially given how utterly IRRELIVENT that message is... sorry, i dont mean to be mean.. that just really pissed me off |
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oh my, not this again... |
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well said. |
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well isn't that what it's about? sorry, i guess because i know how good it can be here and how bad it is in the rest of the world i don't just turn my cheek on the raping of third world countries and ignore that shit. like they do in canada. maybe that's why the US gets involved in so much shit becuase they have their hand in everything going on around the world. just becuase i live in the US doesn't mean i want to or plan on living here much longer. i do admit that was ignorant on my part to bring up anything about the royal screw job some people tend to think they are getting in the UK. and btw it's your choice you don't live here either so don't tell me i'm fucking lucky. i don't think you were being mean at all. i apologize for pissing you off. |
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"i don't just turn my cheek on the raping of third world countries and ignore that shit. like they do in canada. maybe that's why the US gets involved in so much shit becuase they have their hand in everything going on around the world. " LOL u obviously have no idea what u r talking about.. u seem very ignorant of what is going on in the world.. who do you think is doing the "raping" of third world countries!?! THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA its government and its huge corporations that practically run the world exploiting poor people there to make ur running shoes, exploiting their natural resources to make the paper ur money is printed on please, america is not some savior fighting to free the third world.. shit u are SO ignorant, its insulting how do people in canada "turn the other cheek" to the problems in the world?!? wtf is THAT supposed to mean?!?? ur government is the most capitalist one on earth u dont even pay for wellfare or healthcare for people who cant afford it in the US dont give me bullshit about how the US is fighting for poor people it is perhaps the LEAST socialist, MOST capitalist country in the world ur so ignorant its not even funny.. i just wish more people were online cus i know they would have something to say about this.. but please, if u actually have ANY sort of reasonable argument to back up ur ignorant claims, feel free to share especially on ur comment on how canadians dont care about hte third world imean, wtf is that supposed to mean?! how DONT we!? and, more importantly, how do we care any less than americans? |
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I wish the Americans that put down their capitalist country would shut up and sell their belongings and move to some shit country. Rather than contributing to the ''evil'' that is the US. Laughable. Sell your computer if this country is so bad. Look what it's done for you. |
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what gave you the idea i'm pro-USA?! is there a connection between punkers and their overwhelming support for the govt. i don't know about?! why did you have to get personal?! i don't own any running shoes. do you? did i ever say 'we' or 'you' in reference to the USA or canada? no i don't live in a fantasy world. i do know what the USA is doing in other countries and i never said i agreed with it. guess what? i don't have a fucking penny to my mother fucking name. i couch surf. exactly, that's why i'd rather not partake in this counties exploitations. i'm fighting my own battle, in any small way i can, against the supressive acts the USA perpatrates against third world nations. what does canada do for the free world? that's what i mean. my govt.?! like i fuckin' created this shit?! what bullshit are you refering to about USA fighting for poor people?! i receive wellfare and free healthcare. fuck dude, yeah this is the most capatilist country in the world, we all know how well communism did for the former soviet union and how well it's doing for cuba now. |
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I wasn't really talking to you... acutally, that was just a random blurb. I would have clicked on the follow up thing if I was referring to you. |
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Oh actually I'm confused, ignore that post. Ignore me. Ignore midgets, they like attention, they'll go away if you act like they're not there. |
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no worries mate, you just got caught in the crossfire. it's all good. |
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I think there are definitely some parallels between punk an idm, but they are obviously not equal to eachother. i see where you're coming from anyhow evol. ophecks, i understand how leaving the u.s. would allow me to keep my money out of the hands of that top on percent where a lot of "evil" is goin on, but how much of a difference would that make? every bit counts, i know, but wouldn't leaving the states just be ignoring the problem? as little as my influence here may be, it's probably stronger than the withdrawl of my money and labor from the american economy. i don't run from my problems in my personal life and i'm sure as hell not going to to do it on the social scale. |
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i guess you said to ignore that post (oops), but my point was made. |
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is atari teenage riot considered punk? i like revolution action but only cause the video is cool. |
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thanks for taking the approach you did on your reply! =) |
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I FUCKING LOVE ATR! |
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(sorry, i think i misinterpreted you, BUT) you just said AGAIN, how canada suppposedly does nothing while the us does, to help the third world my point was just this: what the hell r u talking about? if u could please just explain this |
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AGAIN, i did not say that at all! there is nothing to explain it's all right there in my post. |
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ahem: "i don't just turn my cheek on the raping of third world countries and ignore that shit. like they do in canada. " from: [#00151638] |
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um...i think what i meant at the time i typed that was....canada just kinda mooches off of the fact that they are the USA's nieghbors. so they never really have to get involved with affairs outside of their own nation state. they just kinda kick back and let the goods come to them. so, since there is a middle man between them and the other countries that produce these goods they don't see the need to assist the USA in it's efforts of securing the status of their superiority here in norh america. and that maybe why the govt. over there in canada has the time to work on deals like healthcare and such that benefit their own citizens... |
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well, ya thats pretty true and even if we wanted to get involved w/ something, theres not much we could do we dont exactly have the influence the US does sorry, to me it sounded like u were trying to say that canadians somehow dont care about suffering in the world while the US is somehow trying to help the very same exploited people it is screwing over (ok, we are all screwing over..) whatever sorry, i was confused i guess i agree w/ u then i was just in a bad mood to begin with and misinterpreted ur posts.. |
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phew...it's all good in the hood. |
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round 2 FIGHT! |
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sorry, but i'm fuckin' tapped after all that. |
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