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I mean.. they take forever to load, set off firewall prompts like crazy and are worse to navigate and search or manipulate text in... I mean.. come on. pdf's... they can just go to hell as far as I'm concerned.. pff.. pdf's. ps. |
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manipulate text? it's not white boy |
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I want my books in chm. Chm kicks ass. Over and out. |
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I feel like suttsteve trapped in that movie groundhog day, only its groundhog minute and a particularly dull one even for me. Maybe I should sleep more. I usually have nightmares but at least I'll be doing something even if imaginary. I should move to saturn. |
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right-click, save as? |
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you obviously don't work in the printing industry, then! pdfs are pretty much essential in printing. |
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has anyone ever made a pdf??? ?? ? |
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Hi Fred. Yes I have, why? |
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isn't that illegal? |
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I use foxit for windows to make pdf's and in ubuntu there are built in features to create them. I use to think they were really stupid, but then I started to use them for my album artworks (I can't link from work cause archive.org is blocked here, but if you go check out 2 of my albums 'Remain Vital' and 'Stop then, Start now' I worked on the booklets for a long time :D). I read the history on PDF's and it was a crappy idea to begin with, it cost money for acrobat reader, etc etc. I found over the years they are great for cross platform stuff, though I am sure that it is not necessary to use the PDF format, it seems to be the standard. If a better standard comes along I'll be more then happy to use it. Sometimes plain .txt isn't that fun to read . I agree .chm rocks. For school I download my books for programming in this format. Much better to search through. The downside is to make them it is a pain in the ass. Lot's of html and fucked up editors. The windows one makes it semi easy, but when I have to make help files I gringe. |
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yes, pdf is great for solid cross-platform continuity. as long as they are made correctly - that means using distiller, or at the very least, using the export pdf function in any adobe design program. i work in the printing industry, and we usually just ask for press-ready pdfs for printing - it's only in extreme cases that we ask for working files (usually when the pdfs aren't set up properly and there's no sign of being able to obtain press quality pdfs from the retard designers who we deal with) |
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adobe is what's retarted |
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explain? |
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How do we make a good PDF ? What is a distiller ? |
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distiller is a commercial program from adobe - if you use the program by itself, you basically drag a postscript file onto it, and it'll make a pdf from it based on your settings. but other than that, it depends on what you use to make the original document.. obviously if you used word/powerpoint/publisher it'll turn out inaccurate in most cases, but distiller includes a virtual printer that can create pdfs in any program that can print. if you buy/acquire the commercial version of acrobat, it comes with distiller. same with the adobe creative suite. |
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adobe is expensive and uses too much processor power what's really my problem is that the market (you) apparantly thinks distiller is the only way to make pdfs |
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uninstall abode reader and install Foxit Reader. Take my word for it. |
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Fox it rocks |
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my problem is that i come across too many pdfs that have been made with shitty freeware programs, that interpret vector images badly, resulting in me spending up to an hour on each file rasterising them, so they can actually print on the printers that we use at work. those printers being top of the market hp designjet poster printers. |
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i understand, but aren't there other good pdf makers? |
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yea acrobat pro |
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I work at Kinkos. PDFs are cool because people will want to make a book, and they will bring in some files in Word, some files in Excel, Powerpoint etc. Then they will have some hardcopies, blueprints, birth certificates, model head shots, etc., and they want it all combined into one binder with tabs. Well PDF can do it. I make PDFs from the files, scan the hardcopies, type my tabs, then easily merge it all into one PDF that I can program to print and more or less walk away. |
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Which Kinkos do you work at? what's the address? |
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Foxit used to be great but now it's just good, the last versions are a little bloated to my taste and definitely require more CPU, still better than Acrobat. BTW pdf's now can include audio and video, "awesomes". |
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yeah, that's what we do where i work, we get a lot of corporate board papers that we have to combine into one document, usually made up of powerpoint presentations, pdfs and word documents etc. also, what's it like working at kinko's? is it really the mcdonalds of the printing industry? whenever i see those places they always look really clinical and the employees look apathetic. |
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well i haven't come across any. i guess it is adobe's fault for not really making the pdf format open source and freely available, i guess most programs try to reverse engineer it. |
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It's not that closed. The latest Office had an export to pdf function in beta but they had to remove it due to legal issue's with Adobe. There are tons of libraries/plugins for most programming languages to create PDF's. So yeah lots of software is able to export to pdf, but I guess Adobe doesn't want to see Acrobat sales go down. |
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yeah i was wrong in that regard, but yeah they don't like it when others try to implement pdf exporting. i guess also that because i work in the printing industry, i get to see how pdfs that aren't made with adobe products fuck up our printers. for some reason, high quality commercial printers are a lot more sensitive to things like improperly translated vector images, or spot colours placed where they shouldn't be. i do admit that we have received some horrible adobe pdfs, but that mostly comes down to designers who are straight out of university and don't know anything about printing. also, another reason i prefer adobe pdfs over others, is because if you're doing proper design work, you should be using adobe creative suite anyway, quark is on it's way out, and corel draw isn't even relevant anymore. once you see the way indesign can link with photoshop and illustrator, and then (most of the time) output to a perfect print ready pdf, then you'll understand. |
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rF: Fedex owns the company now, so the culture is very corporate business. It's a step above McDonald's, maybe more like Starbucks or something. We are a lot more retail than commercial printers, and get some of the kids who don't give a shit working there, but there are also good people who have been there a long time and are professional. Jivver: heh are you going to set me up the bomb?? |
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you don't need a fucking apostrophe |
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that's what i mean |
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looks to be showing promise as a free and lightweight reader (Windows). |
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it's not really the readers but the pdf makers that are the problem, says some people in this thread is pdf maker bad? is latex bad? |
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I used to work a business depot selling comps, but they usually have printing area,. I'd say that's the McDonalds of printing. What was great is that my boss was kind of a womanizer or something, because he only hired cute girls for cash and the copy center. That was very cool. |
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latex <3 |
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Ofcourse. I've done some print work in InDesign a couple of years back and PDF is much more complex than most people think. I had to use some kind of validator (it was a Acrobat Pro plugin as far as I can remember) that checked for errors and problems. That helped me a lot in preventing bugged PDF's that print out wrong thousands of time. It's a great industry standard and it probably wont be replaced for a long time. But PDF isn't just used in the print world. It doesn't really matter I generated my PDF with a crappy PERL script and hand it over to someone to make sure he's looking at it the same way as I am. If it works, it works. |
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pdf file..pedo file...pedophile? |
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you got it |
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