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from lsg on 2008-07-18 03:20 [#02222675]
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any opinions? on wether it's good for you or not for instance
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trentee
from Berlin (Germany) on 2008-07-18 06:22 [#02222698]
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I heard it's very good if you want to lose some weight. It's a combination of 20+ asanas you repeat over and over again. It is also called "Hot Yoga" (high humidity, 40C degrees temperature of environment). However I practice astanga and I lost 22 kilos during last 15 months, so I would say repetetive combination of asanas works for me. With bikram yoga I would be more careful, because of potential harm to your heart (because of temperature/humidity). Are you going to try BY?
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trentee
from Berlin (Germany) on 2008-07-18 06:23 [#02222699]
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also:
BY
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from lsg on 2008-07-18 07:49 [#02222714]
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I'm doing it already. Just started, done about 5 sessions now.
It is absolutely gruesome and that's what I like best about it: it feels like quite a feat to finish a session as well as possible. I think it gives you tremendous stamina and strength (yesterday I went to do Iyengar, also a pretty physical form of yoga and it almost was a laugh). I believe Bikram’s claim that it is particularly good for your back.
On the negative I always feel pretty screwed up the next day and maybe even the day after that. The heat just does you in, like you're beat up on the inside. Also I don't believe it's a total work-out. For instance Iyengar, with it's no less than 200 asanas (postures) is more all round. And I don't know what the benefit really is of getting so strong physically. That's why I want to know: is it good for you? Maybe I’ll go and just do Iyengar because it also is hard, but not too hard. For deciding I plan on listening to my own body.
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from lsg on 2008-07-18 07:59 [#02222721]
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So I've surfed the web just now. Bikram is a hype and the web is littered with hysterical raving comments. The guy answering here for instance. Bikram yoga has some cult like qualities, people believe because they’re torn so hard from their old routines.
I liked this report of what the first session feels like.
I can say through the next sessions it gets better quickly. Also, when your school smells that bad you didn't find the best one. I love this comment there by the way: "Personally, Bikram reminds me of the Camus quote "The only way out is through""
Here’s a pretty nice objective article (the wiki is terrible, let's not focus on mr. Bikram for now)
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from lsg on 2008-07-18 08:00 [#02222723]
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lol comment on toxins here: "A friend of mine took me to her class. It was wild because some people were vomiting and others were crying -- the instructor said that was their way of releasing toxins. I felt fantastic afterward."
I’m sure you don’t sweat out toxins. The last post here is the truth:
"The bottom line: Sweat does contain trace amounts of toxins, says Dr. Dee Anna Glaser, a professor of dermatology at St. Louis University and founding member of the International Hyperhidrosis Society, a medical group dedicated to the study and treatment of heavy sweating.
But, Glaser, adds, in the big picture, sweat has only one function: Cooling you down when you overheat. "Sweating for the sake of sweating has no benefits," she says. "Sweating heavily is not going to release a lot of toxins."
In fact, Glaser says, heavy sweating can impair your body's natural detoxification system. As she explains, the liver and kidneys -- not the sweat glands -- are the organs we count on to filter toxins from our blood. If you don't drink enough water to compensate for a good sweat, dehydration could stress the kidneys and keep them from doing their job. "If you're not careful, heavy sweating can be a bad thing," she says.
-Los Angeles Times January 28, 2008"
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-18 08:10 [#02222725]
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Ramses Smuckles practices it.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2008-07-19 02:52 [#02222907]
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Shop around and look for an instructor you connect with, regardless of style or heritage.
All styles have their pro's and con's.
And enjoy :)
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from lsg on 2008-07-19 03:44 [#02222909]
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Well it's a bit different with Bikram, it's a franchise and everyone teaches it nearly the same. It's just some pointers you get in class, not real personalized attention. I think the teachers are a bit scary really.
Horse: that's great news! Do you happen to have a comic bookmarked?
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from lsg on 2008-07-19 03:47 [#02222911]
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It's spartan and not lovely like other yoga.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2008-07-19 07:51 [#02222954]
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what are the Iyengis like?
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from lsg on 2008-07-19 07:58 [#02222955]
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well fine it was what i started with and i guess i feel a 'click' with the instructor, he's awesome
half the time i don't understand what he means, but i keep asking and i'm kinda used to having to figure some stuff out myself
i'm on a search for my yoga and i think i want to see wether there's yoga in my city that also goes into meditation
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from lsg on 2008-07-19 08:00 [#02222956]
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there's another instructor too but i don't know wether i know her yet
(i started doing iyengar at kungfu and sometimes there was another instructor filling in for the guy but i don't know wether that's the same instructor as at his school)
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2008-07-19 08:03 [#02222957]
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good good :)
keep looking, keep trying new things.
there are a few yoga groups here that do meditation, but they don't teach asana. They are more "guru' based groups.
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from lsg on 2008-07-19 08:12 [#02222960]
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Thanks! I will :)
See I think yoga can be meditation through exercise, and it's what mr. B.K.S. Iyengar says too. But I understand lots of Indians don't understand how you can do yoga and not meditate, because the exercise is just for keeping your body fit for meditation.
If yoga is meditation through exercise than it is a specific kind of meditation. I think you could get other results by sitting still and meditate. It's something I want to try.
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2008-07-20 13:08 [#02223285]
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I was well into meditation at one point, but i abandoned it again, because it just started to get silly. It's a nice sensation afterwards and all... But it didn't do that much for me. My father used to do it an hour a day for a long period, and he also stopped because it just got pointless.
There is one good thing i got out of it though, the whole gazing meditation thing. I started out with the thing with looking into a candle for a while, and it was really great. I've actually been able to get similiar sensations waiting for the bus by myself, or things like that, so it's even kind of usefull like that, because i never get bored when i have to wait for something!
About the yoga - Any news on that? I really want to start for real myself, again, but i don't really know wich path to follow. I do the 5 tibetans, and a stance that i only know the danish term for, but translates into something like "hymn to the sun". I really like the repetition of the two. Sitting/standing in stances for a long times doesn't appeal that much to me, so what should i choose then?
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2008-07-20 13:09 [#02223286]
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Also, reading all of your posts, i can't help thinking about the turtle boy doing yoga, and meditating.
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from lsg on 2008-07-20 13:20 [#02223287]
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I think that's the greeting of the sun, every yoga does it and yoga does it in a different way. I did it once on the beach, to the sun, it was great.
I can only advise to go out and try yoga's. Maybe what you want is ashtanga (http://www.ashtanga.com/), in that form you move more (into different poses all the time) than standing still. I advise everyone though to do Iyengar though. It's based on classic hatha yoga but made bearable for westerners, or something like that, look it up.
I think you shouldn't just sit down and meditate but get some guidance so you know what to do and what your goals can be.
Turtleboy doesn't meditate alot anymore these days, he's already enlightened
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from lsg on 2008-07-20 13:21 [#02223288]
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I'm writing an article on why people do yoga, I know a lot by now. Maybe I'll translate it when it's finally done.
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2008-07-20 15:10 [#02223299]
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I've meditated with Andrew Cohen and all sorts of people like him, but they all turn out to be little more than very charismatic people with delusions of grandeur.
Now, i really like the writings of Anthony de Mello, because they are totally ridden of every bullshit notion that religion has ever thought up about enlightenment (in my oppinion).
Essentially, i just realised along the way of my years of reading about spirituality, that we are all completely alone, and there is no complete truth to anything, and if anyone stands up and says that he's figured it all out, you shouldnt listen to him. Fuck enlightenment, i'm just going to be a fucking, shitting, eating animal till i die :)
Does turtle boy hold any seminars by the way? Maybe i could join his cult.
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2008-07-20 15:32 [#02223306]
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i like to do sipiritual thing via "ordinary life things"
the ritual on habitual things,like to eat and to read xlt. (pure intention,selfcontrol,joy) memoria/body/intentions/phobias/education/order/chaos
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from lsg on 2008-07-20 15:36 [#02223308]
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I haven't read that much about spirituality, though I have a lot of books. I just want to find out by doing. I know what your saying about those big time gurus. Just a good teacher is something else though.
To be like turtleboy you just have to really like turtles.
Does anybody hold any opinions on Hare Krishna btw?
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