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called - THE THIRD HAND. it's called the third hand because i named my ableton that way after doing this stuff. i've become kinda tired of jurt playing sampled stuff all over again in ableton and wanted to really create a set where there are only synths and i have control over the sound all the time. but as i have been adding more and more synths i suddenly realised that it's not possible for me alone to control all that stuff so it'll sound like i want. so i created a lot of envelopse here and there which i can just launch at a given moment and concentrate on things. so, i hope you like it. it's ableton with 2 drumatic vst's, 2 waldorf attacks' a ni fm8 a ni absynth a vaz modular and a operator oh and - i admit it - 4 samples. have fun while listening |
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very well done, most of the shit i hear on here is pure shit but this sounds pretty gosh darn good. |
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thanks. in fact there is a lot o good stuff from the xlt community but not everyone posts it here. |
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this is good |
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Downloading! There's definitely some very very good stuff floating around in the XLT community. Coax, Staz/EOD, Fah, Impakt (where is Impakt?), Sadist, the list goes on. |
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you forgot yourself :> your latest stuff is top notch and should be mentioned. yeah in fact impakt somehow stopped posting stuff. just a few xlt tracks remained on my hdd's after several formats which is a pity. i hope that if v2 (dear god) goes up i will be able to download all the rest. |
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Good shit! Thanx man! |
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this is fucking brilliant dude |
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thanks guys. |
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Haha thanks! I have a lot of XLT music on my HD, so just contact me (somehow) if you want anything. |
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i'll just mail you. or i'kk drop by when i'm in the uk this summer :> |
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Haha cool. |
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hide your elektrons. |
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That first bit is from Autechre's Quaristice tour set isn't it? I'm guessing you don't have a Machinedrum then? You should totally try investing in one. The first versions (Mk1s) are pretty cheap (or at least cheaper...) now that Elektron have released the Mk2s. They're also quite common being sold cos of people upgrading. |
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haha yeah the first bit seems a little copied from the quaristice tour but it somehow evolved this way by itself - the track sounded differently at the beginning. i guess i should listen to less music before i'm doing something :P no no machine drum yet. actually no hardware yet at all besides a dozen self made midi controllers with ucapps.de as mentioned in my topic that i posted some time ago i'm going to edinburgh this year for vacation to work for about two months. i hope to earn about 1200 pounds or so that i want to finally invest in musical gear. the machine drum stands at no.1 on my list of desired musical instruments but i'm not sure about it yet. you see i mean it does what it does perfectly and the mechinedrum is probably the only hardware that not only doesn't have any similar competitors on the market - there simply aren't any competitors. but you know - this piece would eat up all what i earn and i mean on the other hand - it ONLY makes drum sounds (yeah i know you can make some other sounds too with it but in general). so i'm just thinking about buying some other stuff that maybe at the very beginning of me against hardware would be better suited. like the monomachine - but i have my problems judging this one. i mean on one hand the sounds from it are very idm'ish and great but the hard-wiring inside and only 8 knobs of control ofer synth parameters scare me. much cheaper is a radias which can in fact play only 4 parts at one time but you have control over all parameters in every osc in every part. yeah ok but then only digital analog and no formant, fm and sid stuff... doh. i'm at the moment quite sure that i will buy a korg emx and a modular g2 rack. the emx might sound like a bad idea but i just want it more for the sequencer then for the sounds. |
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i want to just route the midi from the emx drums to my pc to waldorf attack and play with it but still have an external sequencer for live playing. the synth stuff of the emx will probably be used more for basslines and stuff which i use operator right now and novation v-station. the modular g2 rack is very cheap right now and i really don't need any panel with it. i can easily make myself a custom midi controler for it (although i don't think it will be able to get the parameter names on the screen) and it will be sequenced by my ucapps sequencer which has ideally 4 track that i can use for the 4 part multitimbral of it. so the emx as the master clock and main sequencer to change tracks and scenes, laptop with ableton and a few favourtite softsynths (has to be fm8 and vaz modular which i just discovered and alreay love) and my second sequencer chained with the modular. should be a fine setup for making some noise. |
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sounds interesting, i wanted to ask you something, how do you get your music sounding so clean? you really have a nice clear sound. you say you don't use any hardware? do you even do your mixing internaly? |
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uuu you must have some sort of multimedia speakers then because the set is mastered far from perfection. it is actually every professionals nightmare because it's maxed out to the limit - when you look at it in a editor it's nearly 0db all the time and the frequency curve looks like a smiley - highs and lows very overdone. i usually don't master my stuff like this but as this was made for a club-pa so it had to be this way. the mastering actually looked like this: the percussion was split over 3 channels - kickdrum, snare and hihats + other shit. on every of those channels there is a c3multiband comp processor (you can get it free from the net). on the kickdrum there is the preset "2band", nad the snare "maximize2" and on the hats "bright". then there is also a c3 compresor on the operator which made most off the bass and there is the preset "warmer". on the master channel the sound goes through a waves c4 (it actually isn't necessary but the channel strips where so maxed out that i needed the c4 more for limiting purposes than for compressing. but the c4 has a bit of attack added so the bassdrums are more "thumpier". after the c4 on the master there is again a c3multiband this time with the preset "maximize2" and at the very end you an eq8 from ableton which lifts the mid, mid-high and high frequencies again about 2-3 db. generally speaking the sound spectrum coming out at the end is nearly ideally flat so after again being compressed and eq'ed on stage has the right punchin the club. so as you can see it's absolutely not a good masterning but just everything maxed out to the limits. actually tracks meant to be played in radio's are mastered the same ways. don't do this at home kids. |
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actually - multiband compressors are totally lame and only kill the sound. but i highly recommend the c3multibandcomp for live usage. it's not important what you play but when you have a c3 with the preset "maximize2" on the very end of the line you can be sure that the sound will be at least good. or at least until i will have my personal sound guy. |
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ahh, that's why it's so loud, well i have some active monitors, which are flat responce, so i'm hearing it for what it is, and from here it sounds crystal clear. thanks for the info, i do need to get some compressors, would you say that software compression does the same thing? or is it worth getting some outboard gear? iv'e been learning more about filling out the frequencies, expecialy with drums, how do you know which frequencies your using? is there sofware for this, because iv'e been thinking about this allot recently |
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Sure, well if you do wanna drop by (even though I'm on the other end of the country - 7 hours by car according to Multimap...) in the Summer, I could check it with the parents and I could demo the Machinedrum to you. You do know that there are "MIDI Machines" in the Machinedrum which allow it to be used as a 16 track MIDI sequencer right? If you're looking at getting an MD anyway, this might rule out the EMX sequencing. Those MIDI machines also have 3 note polyphony with CC parameters too, so you do have a pretty nifty MIDI sequencer on your hands. Set all 16 tracks to the same MIDI machine channel and you've got a 48-note-polyphonic MIDI sequencer. |
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i'm really not a good person to answer this question since i have never used any hardware when making music in my live besides midi controllers and soundcards. vst plugins are getting better and better but the really good ones are the really expensive ones - no exception vide waves or psp. free plugins are worth a shout but really more for learning purposes (what do they actually do) then really for mastering. but i have to say that am getting to the point where i finally would want to get better at mastering and do things right rather then just using maximize presets. first i need some monitors. what you hear is mastered on high grade (lol) logitech x-201 speakers + subwoofe which sound like fuck. besides that i am very interested in buying myself one of those new focusrite luquid mixes. google for it. it's actually a dsp chip on which you can launch up to 32 compressors and eq's which are identical with high-grade studio gear. identical because instead of emulating the sound of a real compressor (simple vst compressors do that and that's why they suck - because when you create an emulation there is a lot of math going on and there is simply no way in an exact recreation of several things going on in a compressor with math) they use response data - they put sound through a compressor that exists and then check how the sound was altered. and they did that very well. now a second version of the liquid mix is on the market witout a lcd screen and with only 16 channels but that's still sufficient and the price is really handy. and then you have like a full rack of comps and eq's that cost a few thousand dollars each. okay it's not perfect but i guess that for home purposes more than enough. |
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Plogue Bidule uses a really good audio engine, and you can make really good modular environments, as well as your own synths and drums. It can do anythign with MIDI too. |
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and to "filling" the frequencies: you know i don't really care about this stuff because all softsynth i use have more or less their own place in the mix. you know - operator and v-station are great for growling basses because they have good filters where you can squeeze the resonance up and they growl really nice. fm 8 is very rich in harmonics and sits high in the mix especially the more noisy patches and doesn't need any eq at all. vaz modular fits perfectly in between - it sits so thight in every mix with every patch it's fucking scary. as for the drums i use drumatic for the kickdrums because it just has the lushest kickdrum in any softsynth on the market. and attack for all the rest - attack sounds very rich and open but doesn't have enough punch with bassdrums that's why i use the drumatic stuff. so actually my instruments fit in the mix themselves and i have nothing to do with it. absynth is a pain in the ass because it has a broad flat spectrum and getting it forward in the mix is very difficult. that's why i use it only for really really ambient sounds which are somehwere there in the mix fill the space up but aren't really audible. with lots oh chorus and panning and reverb and stuff. but you can actually hear a few times when the bass collides with the kickdrum that sometimes the kickdrum sounds like it was muted or something like that. my mistake. |
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i hope i will be able to go round uk a bit so maybe i drop by - i'll keep in touch. yeah i know about the midi thing but again it's just a cost thing. i would really want to have a UW machinedrum when i buy one but UW's are really rare on ebay. you know it just scares me to spend 500-600 pounds on something that "only" makes drumsounds. i know i am a total bitch here but the money i earn this summer is all i will have for stuff during the whole year. it must be just so wicked putting someone 2 months of hard work on the table and change it for a carton full with silicon :P |
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THIS IS FREAKIN AWESOME |
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thanks sadist, i have fm8 and i also have v-station it came free with my interface, just stared using it actualy. iv'e heard of drumatic, i might have to check that out soon, i need some new samples, i guess the key to a good sound is your source samples, but still, listening to your tracks made me feel like i have allot of work to do with my sound, but it's all fun. do you use Reaktor by any chance? |
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I was only able to listen to a little before I left for work, but yah it sounded good. I could hear what you meant about the ae live set at the beginning, but probably just because you said so. It certainly doesn't feel like a knock off from what I heard. Stands on its own two feet. |
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i use reaktor alot but you know more for sequencing, midi and experimental stuff. as i'm not very familiar with c++ and assembler which i should to program my midiboxes i just put midi from them through reaktor and to ableton. or i sometimes make some effects with granular stuff or reverbs. i tried to get into making synth with reaktor but backed off quite soon. i realised that i cannot work in a environment that doesn't give me any restricionts and where everything is open. i even tried to make myself a machinedrum style drum machine (a pity nobody else came to that idea) but i alwasy ended up making those huge cpu hungry bitches with control over everything. so that's why i like vaz modular so much and that's why i hope i would love the nord modular. you have also a lot of modules but not like more than hundred or so and you cannot really look into them anymore. an oscilator is an oscilator and finito. i can work much better this way. |
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i surely cannot and don't even really want to deny the fact that my latest outputs where highly influenced by autechre's latest releases and live sets, but not in the meaning of copying them but they just opened my eyes to a few patents that can be made with music that i wanted to try out. and it works. |
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to even get close to ae style is a success anyway, but it's common for new music to sound like AE if it's got abstract beats etc i'l post my latest track in a bit, if you care to listen. |
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sure i do :> i think it's in fact quite easy to sound similar like ae because once you know a patent for some sound it's quite easy to recreate it. the thing autechre makes autechre is that they are first with the sound every fucking time. |
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ha it's like they re-invent themselves every few years, but i think, they have the advantage of using that MAX software, i got into reaktor myself, but i wish i had used MAX now do they still use MAX? |
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not live - studio wise most probably. the ep7 era was mostly max/msp and generative computer stuff. two laptops on scene etc. but in the latest interviews they say it was totally weird because max hanged up very often and they had to restart stuff. that's what i admire the most about them - that they make their own sequencers, do some modding of theri gear and still rlease albums and do live tours. i guess they have to do like a few hours daily only music. |
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nice set |
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When new one? :D |
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haha sorry dude but this may take awhile. i'm finally getting exhausted of putting every second of what i create into live sets and not having any normal studio tracks at all. i want to close a few projects and finish material for about 4 albums. |
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OK, where is the new one? |
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i retired |
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do you still have the track the third hand somewhere? i'd like to hear it. |
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or set |
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i think that it most probably is the version i called the third hand later, recorded at the lan2 gig i played it then. if someone has the one called originally "the third hand" and there are any differences (but i highly doubt that - eventually there might be one or two tracks more) please linkt it. |
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thanks! will check it out |
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I have the one called "third hand". I'll compare. |
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Mine version is longer. Uploading soon... |
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hm... as far as i remember it's probably exactly the same set as i posted above, with the difference that i post-edited another track into it. it was probably the version for a radio show which was meant to last an hour but i wasn't able to replay the set and had to fill it out a little. |
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why did you retire? |
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several reasons actually. let's say that at some point i was just too dissapointed by the whole process of making music itself. i have lost probably every bit of musical data i have ever made across 7 hard drives that died on me during the past 3 years. i probably never played any live set how it was supposed to be due to crashes and hardware problems. dying power adapters, breaking fuses you name it. i guess i got unlucky. i was at one point were i was just so afraid to loose any more data that i simply wouldn't want to finish a track or do any saving at all. |
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huh ? i have NO IDEA when this version was made. could you check the date on the file in your windows kurrrak ? |
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