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We all choose our own paths, so make your life a worthwhile one. Ped |
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I agree with you. But I think the idea of actual reincarnation is horrible. |
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this is tiresome, so much so that you will only receive mockery and derision. if you want an argument or discusion state your case, or else stop trolling and fuck off, you tit. |
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why???? |
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well there's nothing i can say to that. I think my case was, We all choose our own paths, so make your life a worthwhile one. compared to Well if reincarnation exists, why should i even try and get anywhere in life, since it's already destined to be a certain way anyway. |
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its an unproven point. as sick minded (literally) as any religion or athiestic point of view. it's desperation, it cant be tested, and youre falling for your own trap. dont do it. |
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i have no doubt that life continues on, and repeats, just like nature, but what i don't understand is how we get "higher"? how do people spiritually grow, so that they don't repeat the same things over and over. It's simple, do the things you know you have to do. Make the best of your situations i guess. Why does childhood just seem like a second in time, but the present existence feels like an eternity? |
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"no doubt"??? welcome to your indoctrinated childhood |
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I know it's seen as fluffy and nice compared to other religious beliefs, but the idea of people not being single, individual people at this particular point in time, but rather just another stage of a person who has been around for eons of years just creeps me out. I am me, you are you, we are organisms who exist in the present, and that's that. Some of our downfalls are linked to circumstances beyond our control, some to our 'choices' (let's not go there... I use 'choice' in a loose way), but none of them are down to something I've done in a life as some peasant in Austria years ago that I can't remember. Folk who have been born into horrible poverty are NOT reaping the rewards of some wrong they've done in a previous life, and people who have a head start in life owe nothing to what they've done in some imaginary life they've apparently lived before. I'd explain this a LOT better if I were in a more adequate state of mind. Sorry about that. I personally think reincarnation is a life-denying belief. :-) Hugs.... |
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also i take full responsibility for what i choose to see as true or false, so it really doesn't matter at this point what i believe, i'm just putting out there what i think, and if because of how i was raised or what conditions i was raised in is dramatically different from you, you should stil understand that i am attempting to come from a place that is just as clear-minded as you. Reincarnation is a word that means something, it's nothing more to me |
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is reincarnation |
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that is a fair point |
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you're not really doing anything progressive by declaring people sick-minded, instead of proving your point with an idea or fact that you've learned, i'm ope-minded enough to accept what you have to say if you know what you're talking about. |
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click on my link it will all become clear |
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although i don't really want to download the prodigy-enya track, i'm aware it's most likely awesome. |
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it's reincarnation thou? |
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musical reincarnation. actually what's more interesting and than Reincarnation is Autothysis that's something easily displayed in human nature and fits right into religion. |
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or altruism |
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Choosing our paths ? Go telling that to those who die in earthquakes, tornadoes etc... or even simplier calamities but totally unchosen. As a nolife freak, i visit sites like nothingtoxic or liveleak and ogrishforum, and it's somehow very intriguing how some people die out... I can't prove anything but it's just very weird, sometimes people survive enormous accidents, and sometimes they die for nothing extravagant. Also i'm aware of the theory who say reincarnation is a sort of metaphor applicable in our only life, like, your actions of every day will modify your next days and that you actually "reincarnate" everyday... even our cells entirely change every 7 years.. But, what about love at first sight, or the contrary when you feel strong antipathy onto someone for nothing either ? it's just weird. I can't stand the fact of total emptiness after death, I just can't. It wouldn't make sense. But don't get me wrong, I do not believe in reincarnation like the occidental man do, that is, hopping to reincarnate, I'm more like the catharists who thought that hell is actually living on this earth, and the goal is to not reincarnate again. Anyway I'm not sure of anything, when i see how Alzheimer disease works, it fucks up any of these kind of theories, like, it takes years for you to disintegrate, it's so horrible. Or those who survive aneurism and looks like retards just after, where are their spirit ? so, I'm not sure. Prodigy mixed with another track ? well pretty cool but i quite don't get it. |
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yeah i was thinking about that too, that it's unfair to say "choose your own path" because some people don't have that option. what i should have said was, it can be hard, and you may not always want to, but when you the opportunity to, try and live life to its fullest, because, like these unfortunate people, you never know what might happen. Cause i mean when you die, really nothing else matters. I was raised with a dad saying "it matters what you do in life because you're judged by god after your life's over and your life is replayed etc." And i always knew that it was like he was comforting himself for the way maybe he felt after he did something really wrong, and he didn't know how to take the reprocussion. I just can't look at a beautful cloudy blue sky and not know that something else is hapeneing on a much larger scale. and same goes for when you see fucked up tornado remnants, human nature and life as we know it is too delicate and easily destroyed to ever actually use an idea or opinion to rest comfortably so that you don't feel sad or confused anymore. |
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i wanna say something personal, so sorry if i'm seeming awkwardly open, but i wonder if anybody else ever had an experience like this. i remember this moment in time: i was about 5 or 6 and my sisters were making fun of me haha and something was i don't know, causing problems, but i remember my one sister was just being a bratty older sister, and my other sister was going along with it, but then something hapened, and my sister remembers this too, that me and her said to each other then " let's just promis never to fight with each other," and it was liek this amazing thing that we saved ourselves from, we were like, you know, its fuckign pointless to hate each other over stupid shit, so lets just get along. and it's carried through all of these years, so whenever i think about reincarnation or something similar, i always remember that things like that are important, just actually establishing a real connection. ah fuck this seems very desparate sorry |
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No, I found that story quite touching, actually. There are moments where 'something' seems to infiltrate and bring peace and sense to a tangled family situation in a way I can't quite fathom. |
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that's a great story |
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its "one" story. its a sickly saccarin romaticised 1 point of view of which you all tend to accept just because you want to. |
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it would suck to die mid-orgasm earthleakage what do you expect? I can only explain that event through what i got out of it. I could say that it may have started because my mom used to baby and over-protect me, which cause my sisters to think certain ways. i don't know i know nothing, i just said it |
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i see |
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i've only recently begun to be more accepting of the idea of reincarnation. what is the nature of consciousness? |
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if you think i'm trying to sugar coat what happened, you're probably right. |
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i could see some part of our energy or life force recycling back into whatever is behind the world we see, including other living beings. that would be consistent with the idea that energy that is neither created or destroyed. personally, for me, i believe that while there may be spiritual parts that stay here, there is still a core soul that is truly you. i also believe that soul transcends this world, physical and otherwise, at death. |
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the following words should be banned: "spiritual" "life force" "transcend" "consciousness" "life" |
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why is that? |
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hence the fountain avatar? :) |
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i rate that movie right up there with 2001 for that kind of thing. i think i connected with it more too because there was illness in my family at the time and it helped me reflect on it. |
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As Siddhartha himself said: What is there to incarnate? |
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How something that's intangible like your conscious would be reincarnated? Maybe in the future there will be a way to "back-up" your brain information and transpose/reproduce it to another body. How would your "spirit" travel to another body? Or would it just search for eggs that are about to be pierced by a spermatozoid? Is our spirit made of a block of black matter and is the reason we can't see it or capture it? If anything all energy based elements in our universe are primitive compared to what is outside the universe walls because let's face it something created those particles that gave origin to our universe. |
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Your high consciousness is a lie and the fountain is a shitty film. |
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the virgin suicides? |
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i thought the fountain was alright. couldve been better, i think, but that might just be my expectations talking, seeing it knowing the guy who did pi and requiem made it. reincarnation might go as far as our particles being turned into dirt, and then if we've lived a rich and full life, maybe grow some mould or something. i dont really think we're gonna be able to open our eyes and experience any of it though, thankfully enough. |
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high expectations!* |
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What is required for there to be consciousness? When does consciousness begin? When a certain number of braincells are developed? Then consciousness just "drops in" or comes into being? No-consciousness, then "bang", consciousness? |
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and so then you die, and neurons are shutting down as they stop receiving oxygenated blood, until the number of active neurons is less than the magic number of neurons required for consciousness, at which point consciousness ends? something dosn't seem right with that. |
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What if ... Your brain and body and all your chemicals were more like receivers, or translators, designed for you to interact with a world of chemicals, matter, energy, etc. Yes, all of our emotions, dreams, desires, etc. can be linked to those chemicals, and once our bodily systems shut down or our chemicals get off balance we are increasingly unable to interact with the world around us. We break down and eventually shut down. What if that isn't the whole story though? Think about a really good painting of a sunset or a flower. When you look at it, you may have a similar reaction as you would looking at a real sunset or flower, it's beautiful, it makes you happy. You know, however, that really it is just made up of paper and paint, there are no hydrogen gases or photosynthesis involved, but out there somewhere is the real sunset or flower it represents. What if we are like the painting, here in these bodies on earth, and what we feel like love, hope, awareness, sense of time, etc. all exists outside of us and the world our bodies interact with. Like red and yellow paint coming together to make the orange of the sun, our chemicals come together to emulate, or translate, these principles into the physical environment. But the principals do not depend on the chemicals to exist, any more than the sunset or flower depends on the paint and paper used in the painting to exist. |
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Where would severely mentality challenged people fit in all of this? |
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mentality challenged is a word that shouldn't be used when describing people who have trouble being "normal" seems like "retarded" people are a lot easier to understnad and be understood by than all of the "normal" people out there. |
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but it's ok we can just make fun of them and that will solve our problems, and they can just live their retarded life. |
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like everyone is going through their own thing, so it all still applies, just on different scales and levels. just because a flower was crushed by a person walking by, and it rows all awkwardly and abnormally, doesn't mean its life is any less valid |
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Right. We live in a world that is subject to decay and corruption. Children are born with birth defects, people have strokes, lose limbs, earthquakes devour citys and suns devour solar systems. If I spill water on the painting, burn it, draw over it, etc. it becomes distorted. It will represent the original subject less and less the more I corrupt it. Again, if I have a radio and it shorts out or the wiring gets fudged it will not accuratly play the signal that is being sent to it. The signal is still there, completely unaffected by the radio, but the radio is either playing a corrupted version of the original signal or not playing it at all. What is important is that at death, we transcend the emulation. What happened to the painting of the sunset is left behind, because the painting was part of this world. What is the difference between a persons severe mental illness, as we measure it, or a mild case of ADD or OCD? Every single person who is alive today has some sort of blemish, but those blemishes are bound to this world and its system and not bound to the higher world, (heaven, nirvana, whatever you will call it). The question of what happens to people that didn't have the same opportunities as others when they die gets more into the specifics of religion I guess. You would appeal to the fairness of God I suppose. |
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Not that anyone's looking at this right now, but I'd like to edit the above. Removing: What happened to the painting of the sunset is left behind, because the painting was part of this world, and replacing with What happens to us physically is left behind, because our physical infirmities are part of a relationship with this world. The analogy didn't really make sense being used there. People were talking to me as I wrote that and I was a bit distracted. The whole thing could have been a little more cohesive, but I imagine people still got the idea. |
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