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Is it possible to make music for oneself and oneself only? If you knew that nobody would ever possibly hear a piece you spent hours creating, would that bother you? It's just something that I've been vaguely thinking about. Lots of artists I'm into claim they create just for themselves...but they are economically sustained by their listeners, and they can only be so free in their approach because their audience expects them to innovate and will keep them afloat through all their artistic twists and turns. If there were no listeners there to sustain them, would they be so driven? Would they be out in their desert studios spewing out strange audio landscapes with such ferocity if there was nobody there to lap it up? They often claim they would. I've always thought that you're always somehow subconsciously aware of an audience, wherever you are in music, and to claim otherwise is a bit absurd. It's a strangely social thing, even if you have no direct communication with any listeners. The fact that people might hear the fruit of your labours drives you, even if it's your mum and your dog. It's fine to claim to be uncompromising in your approach, but to claim that you have absolutely no concern for anybody who might hear what you're up to seems slightly odd at this drunken moment. Mind you, it makes perfect sense at other moments. |
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If I made it knowing that no-one else would ever hear it, it would probably be a hundred thousand million times easier. |
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I would have no problem with it, but its human nature to share things and want others to feel the same as you about something. I write music because I enjoy it. I don't have to let others hear it. But occasionally I figure why not. |
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if you could pay the bills by doing something you enjoy, most people would. i've only played about less than 10% of my musical output to other people. last count i have just over 1000 tracks in various stages of completion. |
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Most things I have never shared with other people. I make things for my own enjoyment. I have a day job so I don't need to let people hear it. There's far too much music floating around these days. I don't think I need to dilute the talent of others with my efforts. |
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I enjoy writing music, but for me it's just a hobby, like many others on here, I like learning about sound, it's so much fun, and you loose yourself in it. i'l tell ya if i wasn't doing something creative i'd go nuts |
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I think I already do it. |
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I think this inherent want to show others your own work comes from a pride in your own work, and also it feels like all your work pays off when people recognize it as a good track. If I knew nobody would ever hear my music, which is almost impossible for me to comprehend because I'm indeed very keen on others listening, I would not have any external need to do anything in particular. One thing I do notice is that if I'm very happy with a track im not bothered if someone else doesnt like it, because i know i like it and thats enough for me. That being said, i still get a reward when others take the time to listen and comment, and in a sense i want them to be wow'd and whatnot and appreciate me as an artist. but right now i have a fine line between my own reward, and the reward i get through others. and that suits me perfectly fine atm |
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"It's a strangely social thing, even if you have no direct communication with any listeners." This is a main feature of all of human life. Would a non-social homo sapiens sapiens be human? |
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I expect by definition it would have to be. |
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Not necessarily. |
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yes i agree, the life of messing with sounds is really interesting and fun, i think the whole thing about being appreciated for your music is totally acceptable and should not be looked down on, although sometimes people might not congradulate you on a track well done, either because they are maybe a little jealous, or into their own thing too much, and get inspired from it and go make their own music, i think it's defenitely positive to put music out for others to hear it, especially if you want to, because then you get feedback, especially if youre unsure of yourself or your music, not too confident, it will help kind of guide your attitude toward music, and the balance you need. |
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Explain; as far as I can tell "homo sapiens sapiens" is the technical term for "human". |
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No, it's the biological term for a certain kind of animal. In social terms, the term human often differs from that of animal, savage and beast. All of these other terms can also apply to any specimen of the subspecies homo sapiens sapiens. Being human has different criteria from being a homo sapiens sapiens. Note the difference in definition from homo sapiens sapiens, humans and so-called feral children. |
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Right! back to the question.... Yes ofcourse! Music has it's own immediate rewards. |
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Cool, this can be used to dehumanise groups we don't like. |
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just noticed a blooper thing in Back to the Future II - when they show the scenes from the first movie when he's playing Johnny B Goode, you can see that his eyes are brown in the first movie, in the second, they are blue but maybe i'm on crack |
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OH MY GOD FUCKING HELL |
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I make music because its better than stabbing myself in the eyes. Sometimes I think, 'hey someone might enjoy this' so I post it on here or somewhere else and a few people listen to it and say 'yeah thats ok' and I get a warm fuzzy feeling like someone likes my track, it was worth it! but I don't really think less of the stuff I never play to anyone because I still like it so yeah, I cant remember my point. |
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of this is for himself. Music can be very social but it's also solitary fun. |
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the blooper is retconning a white man to invent Rock 'n' Roll. the film leads up to this point: The white man will go through history and take all the achievements of the blackman and pretend they were his own. The extended version has M J Fox making an impassioned "I have a dream" speech. You'll note in Teen Wolf that they have M J Fox becoming fabulous at Basket Ball, the famous Afro-American sport (first he fights who he is, then he accepts his white dominance). M J Fox is a total white supremacist. |
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Fuh Q |
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nice man |
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Haha! I never looked at it that way before. |
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You just blew my mind man. |
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i think that warm fuzzy feeling is a senior-ctizen woman massaging your balls with her gums, enjoy |
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Indeed it has been. So has the biological criteria. What's your point? |
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I wish... Oh how I wish... |
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the kokopelli will be awfully lonely if yr just playing it for yourself |
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I didn't make a point. oh btw if something stops being human then it stops being homo sapiens sapiens; I wasn't talking about social terms or philosophical terms because as humans we're all very different socially. Homo Sapiens Sapiens is a biological term, bot a sociological term. |
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"oh btw if something stops being human then it stops being homo sapiens sapiens" That the terms currently have the same extensions doesn't mean that they are synonymous; if all things remained the same, except for that we were a different species from homo sapiens sapiens, we would still be humans; even if all renates are also chordates, that doesn't make the terms synonymous. This should be basic introductory course philosophy, but I don't know if you have the same kind of introductory course thing in England as we have over here... |
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As usual, your pomposity has puffed your chest up so much that it's blinded you. Although I know you never seem to admit you're wrong (at least not that I've ever seen - when challenged your sentences just get longer and you retreat into patronisation), we are not talking synonyms: the O.E.D. "...humans, who first appeared in the upper palaeolithic period, are classified as H. sapiens sapiens." But I imagine, as usual, you know best. |
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Why would we still be classed as "human" if we evolved beyond homo sapiens sapiens? If evolution is to be believed, we evolved from fish and lizards and they aren't classified as humans: if our very biological make-up evolved then we wouldn't be humans, we would be whatever comes afterwards and then we could apply a shiny new label on it. |
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I admit I'm wrong when I'm wrong. I'm only wrong once every 10.000 years ;) I've been thinking about the long sentences thing, and I guess it must be because of the copious amounts of phenomenological texts I've been reading. They're not known for brevity, nor for avoiding complex sentences and sentence structures. This probably relates to Husserl's original style of writing, as well as Heidegger's attempts at freeing himself from the constrains put upon him and his ability to express his thoughts properly. I also strive for accuracy in expression. When it comes to patronisation, I knew the thing about the introductory course thing would seem patronising, but I was just asking a question. If your system isn't so that you all have philosophy as an introductory course when first joining university, it's not your "fault." It also doesn't necessarily make our system superior to yours, nor does knowledge of philosophy make me superior to you. In the name of political correctness, it just makes us different unique individuals; you know stuff I don't, I know stuff you don't. "Why would we still be classed as "human" if we evolved beyond homo sapiens sapiens?" I said that if all other things remained the same, e.g. if our culture, language and history remained the same, but the one single fact that we are the creatures biologically classifiable as homo sapiens sapiens was different, we would still be the creatures referred to as humans (even if only by ourselves). As homo sapiens sapiens is a biological term, and as biology studies animated but "dead" things (they study things as static objects), biology can't study the social thing, the human being. We have other sciences for that. |
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We might continue to call ourselves human through convenience or habit, and who knows, maybe we'll end classification at human - as it stands now, humans are the current end-point of hominids - of course we are constantly evolving in subtle ways so I guess if this biological change is as minor as it is now, then human is as good a tag as any. Anyway, you're probably right and it's more interesting to discuss humanity from a sociological and cultural point of view than just a biological point of view. |
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exploding dogmas...i fly over your suffering,i understand what intentions here is. stop breathing and eyaculate over nobody* |
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bro you cunt |
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I wasn't really talking about evolution.. it was more from a modal point of view. Taking a cue from modal logics, it can be conceptualised by the introduction of "multiple worlds." Imagine a world where everything is as it is here, but where the creatures called humans are what we would call lizards (from a biological point of view). The question to be answered is whether these creatures would be justified in calling themselves human, and if it isn't indeed possible that this could have been our world if circumstances were only slightly different. The surprising conclusion, and the title of my next song, is that "we could have been lizards!" Do you realise what this means?!?!§ |
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According to David Icke, some of us are lizards! |
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OMG! <--- Even Alan Turing is surprised! |
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Shit! I just received this letter: To whom it may concern We, Queen Triceratops Isis Subzero the Third, supreme ruler of the Draconians, have decided that today will be my day of play. I have calculated the current Zeitgeist of the Internet and arrived at the conclusion that today the subject of the "Draconian Conspiracy Theory" proposed by man's greatest thinker, David Icke, would be discussed at the messageboard at xltronic.com. Because we Draconians have succeeded in hypnotising every single human being on earth with the help of our "Idol" franchise, no-one will believe you when you tell them that this letter is "for real," and that you didn't in fact write it yourself, We find no harm in playing with your fragile minds by sending you this testimony to our existence. We do this because our first experiment with revealing ourselves, David Icke, amused us greatly, and We find that We are no less amused by any other individual of your species fighting the futile fight of getting everyone else to acknowledge our existence. We also fear that the constant frustration of David Icke's attempts might lead him to suicide. We would regret this greatly, as he is very amusing indeed, but he is not irreplacable. Actually, We find that the thought of all you puny humans committing suicide just because your fragile minds can't handle the frustration quite amusing in itself. Best regards Queen Triceratops Isis Subzero the Third Supreme ruler of the Draconians |
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you guys are homo sexual sexuals |
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Did they ask for your bank account number? |
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ALL the music i make is for my ears only. MAYBE like one or two more people. |
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