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"I cant tell you how many times someone comes in and plays me something he wants mastered and I'll say, 'Do you want to make it slamming loud or retain some of this great sound?' They'll say, 'We want to keep it really pristine.' Then the next day they'll call me and say, 'How come mine isn't as loud as so and so's?' " That right there is what defines the problem. Over the past few years, its been a noticable trend to see sound quality become less of a concern over the loudness/music itself. From Vinyl to CD, then CD to Tape, to MP3... then finally listening to MP3's on your mobile phone (without headphones)... how many people genuinely care about music quality anymore? |
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Nigel Tufnel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and... Marty DiBergi: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten? Nigel Tufnel: Exactly. Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder? Nigel Tufnel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where? Marty DiBergi: I don't know. Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do? Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven. Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder. Marty DiBergi: Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder? Nigel Tufnel: [pause] These go to eleven. |
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:) A classic film. |
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good wiki page on the subject |
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Its especially noticeable on music thats expected to shift large quantities and, as such, gets a lot of radio time. From a record company perspective they want their tracks to stand out from the other 15 songs playing on the radio that hour and they think making it 'louder' will do that and shift units. looks like a good article though, ill give it a good read now! |
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It's not a problem, it's an aesthetic. |
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What does loudness have to do with quality? As long as the loudness does not distort. I must admit, it does seem these days that every album you receive has different audio loudness, which is irritating when you're listening to a bunch of MP3s and one comes on twice as loud as the other. Not sure anything can be done about it though. How about inventing software that automatically monitors and equalises sound output of your MP3s whilst retaining audio quality. |
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"The age of the audiophile is over." Thank god. |
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The basic problem is that people listen to music on devices with insufficient headroom, like mp3 players. If I want to listen to a quiet song on my hifi, I turn it up. I've never dared go beyond half volume (ok its half a log scale but you know) On mp3 players so many people have the volume at 100% most of the time = no headroom left. The thing that annoys is that the dynamic range is compressed out, so it's just an endless stream of loudness. There's an excellent youtube which explains it quickly and accurately. Let me dig out the link.... |
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"What does loudness have to do with quality? As long as the loudness does not distort." duh! clipping i s distortion! (when possible I buy vinyl nowadays, vinyl can't be clipped beyond sanity as CD-audio can...) |
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99.9 percent of people who buy/ "listen" to music wouldnt notice and likely dont care about any of this. in fact they really dont give a fuck about anything as long as 1) theres some kind of "tune" and an easy to follow, repetetive structure 2) there is lyrics/singing of some kind preferably with some vague "love" theme. But.... as long as theres sex and drugs I can do without the rock n roll. |
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You're a genius. |
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Also most tracks dont really use dynamics anyway a lot of tracks i hear are basically just 1 loop repeated over and over again with the vocal over the top so it dosent matter . if you listen to a recording of classical music its always mastered really quiet cos the dynamics really count but 99 percent of modern music is not like that so they dont need to bother and can just blast it >>>><><>><> |
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