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whats better? anyone uses ogg vorbis here - im gonna rip a lot of cds so i want good quality, preferably at a low(er) bitrate |
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so much for using the search function first, not finding anything, and forgetting to look at the main index |
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i wish iTunes could read .ogg files... |
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anyway what is this "LAME" thing? why is it called "LAME"? |
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Because *L*ame *A*in't an *M*P3 *E*ncoder - it's a stupid open source joke, like how GNU stands for Gnu's Not Unix. It is the bestest MP3 encoder. |
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man youre wrong....the OGG Format firstly says nothing about the music quality !!!! Its just a format, OGG Vorbis is absolutely free (patent, and source code is available) The name Vorbis a a definition in the complete OGG Projekt....ist the only part from this Projekt runnning @the moment. For more infos: |
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thaxfa shirked on details, approximated, and sprinkled in some arrogant zealory, so I'll flesh out a bit. Ogg, when said alone, basically always implies Ogg Vorbis, which is the audio format. You're a cunt to be anal about this on a non-technical forum. To be more correct, Vorbis is the audio compression spec, whereas Ogg is a container format, which can be used for different multimedia streams, for instance video (there _are_ other ogg codecs in existence at the moment, contrary to what use say: see speex (speech compression) and theora (video)), and provides things like consistency checks, other crap.. Ogg Vorbis has been proven many times to have superior quality. Listening tests have proven this, but I don't really trust them, because most people's ears really suck. What I do trust is spectral analyses of wave forms--for instance, some tests have presented images of the wave as captured in wav format (the original unencoded source), different flavors of mp3, ogg, windows media, etc., and from those it's very easy to see that mp3 often fucks up the wave completely and ogg is extremely close, with the others in between. I use it also because it is completely patent-free as well. Also note that by having vastly superior audio quality you can encode at a lower bitrate, still have high quality, and hence save disk space. Note that if you have a portable audio player or plan on getting one, few support ogg, and you should definitely consider that as a pertinent point! Recompressing from ogg to mp3 just to put it on your ipod of course results in much poorer audio quality than going straight to mp3. anyway |
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oh yeah, google around and you'll see lots of tests I talked about. Again--refer to the ones with images, because then you can trust your own conclusions and your own senses, rather than depending on other people's--most likely piece of shit--hearing. |
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i got one with ogg support yesterday thats wy i was asking |
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hey, sneak - what do you think of AAC format? I've ripped some shizzle to it for Ipod usage and it sounds pretty darn good. |
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oh that's pretty awesome. which one? as you noticed, I use them exclusively for all of my rips. the patent free thing isn't an issue now, since mp3s are still basically free, this has the potential to change, though you know your oggs will be legal forever. |
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I've only heard it a little, on shit speakers, and haven't been able to sit down and analyze it myself (which I did when I chose ogg years ago). But I _did_ see a test which I respected quite a bit where aac did very well.. slightly below ogg, but definitely good enough. And it's fully integrated into the mac shit so it's probably really nice to use! A friend of mine started using that and the apple lossless codec exclusively so I'll get a better look at it soon. definitely good enough. and of course, the point isn't a big deal now, since disk space is so readily available. by the way, one technical note I omitted in ogg vs. mp3--ogg takes more horsepower to decode than mp3, which is why it isn't as simple as a firmware upgrade for many devices--they just can't handle it. There is, however, an integer only decoder now, which makes ogg mroe accessible to portable devices.. I wish I could be more specific |
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oh also, while I'm forgetting to put my thoughts down in an organized manner.. ogg of course isn't widely accepted, so if you use it expect weird glances, complaints of errors, etc etc |
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iriver ihp120 |
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The sound quality at least with some good headphones sounds pretty crisp, and even on crappy car speakers. I don't think anything ever beats a direct .wav or .aiff rip but for the size of an AAC file it's really a pretty good compromise. Plus, like you said, it's nicey apple compatible which works nice fer me. Mind you, not like I'm ever going to feel like a rip of SAWII in any format will do it justice ;-) |
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Have your tried apple's lossless format? It takes lots of space (about 50% size reduction, so ~325 megs for your average CD), but will fit the ticket of a super-discerning listener. I don't know how well it plays along with portable devices, but I'm sure apple will add it to the ipod soon enough; if it's not technically feasible now, then maybe with the next generation ipod (which I've heard nothing about but should be showing up--it's been a while!). jAroen, oh now I remember, that's the one with the fm tuner, line in, and real time encoding! With a tiny mic it could be perfect for surreptitious recording. do you like it? |
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yes, especially with the build in mic, and the line in it will be great to record people in embarassing moments |
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I hope you plan on abusing that fully |
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GET your ASS to MARS! anyway: itll be great recording&looping grown men saying poop and such |
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yeah I know! I'm being lazy. speaking of lazy, have you encoded the same track as ogg and mp3 and listened to both on your computer, then both on the iRiver? Also, if you have some nice spectral analyzer, use it against the source materialllll autechre's probably great for these tests, since they are so clean. Try, say further, then surripere, then vordhosbn, then I put tape on my mouth to shut myself up |
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WINE = WINE Is Not an Emulator PHP = PHP: Hypertext Processor The PC industry loves recursive acronyms. |
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just the oss community personally, I've always found it stupid and aggravating, and furthermore the pathetic attempt at humor makes it all the more contemptuous. |
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but lame at least is the best mp3 encoder? |
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Shit yeah, fuck yeah, hell yeah. |
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yes? |
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another question i want to save a cd as good as possible, nero defaults mp4 for that. is that better than wav or doesnt it matter |
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Save it as a wav. Then you lose nothing. But use not nero if you want the best results. It has better error correction. |
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it doesnt matter that it's still a beta? |
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The CD itself is wav. You can't make it better than it is. |
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no the cd itself is a linear pcm format. so is (some forms of) .wav files the cd is not wav. EAC is the ONLY way to securly and accuratly (ie be 100 percent of an exact copy) extract audio data from cds. i wouldnt use anything but it. also you can only be sure of the extractions if you have set all the correct settings (including drive offset) |
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plus if anyone is interested in a lossLESS audio codec. please check out . its free in all senses of the word and is really fucking great. it retains ALL quality and generallycompresses down to 50% the size of the uncompressed (usually wav) file. i use EAC to create flacs + cues from all my audio cds and then from there goto other formats with which is the best audio player in the world for windows, it will treat my whole disc cues+flacs as singly songs, and can do pretty much anything you could ever want it to do. |
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haha foobar, as in fubar anyway, somehow i dont hear anything playing the wavs i made, ill maybe figure it out tomorrow |
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with eac why does the log file say the track's quality is 97% btw, that's normal? |
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Flac kicks much ass. Screw both mp3 and ogg. Flac's are large, but I like my lossless audio, and I have hard drive space to spare at the moment. I Recommend LAME 3.90.3 for encoding mp3's though. I also recomment foobar2000 for a media player. I always use EAC with offset correction, cue sheets, but multiple files, straight to flac. Got a lot of flacs, some would say too many. |
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Hi, I got bored today and did some ogg vs. mp3 comparisons; though not amazing, my tests are better than most cheesy listening tests and waveform-eyeball tests. I'll post it tomorrow. |
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I wish there was a way to prove 'good enough' using actual scientific terms (capabilities of the human ear). As it stands I don't see a reason to use flac. |
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Uh, of course there's a way, I mean I wish someone would do some such testing. |
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i use mp3 because i have an mp3 walkman. but if i had a bigger HD id use flac. hello flac heads! duble0six, inverted whale, mrgerbik, xceque, and all the other bastards :P :) |
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yes yes, that's the only time I would condone using mp3. I also wouldn't support buying a player which doesn't play real formats.. |
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I like having certain things that aren't easily available in flac. I can decode them to whatever format I want with no loss of quality or burn the to cd and a 1:1 copy of the original disc. I like having things like (insert rare afx album here) in flac format. I still use mp3's for my car's cd player, but again, I have the space to waste, and if I ever want an mp3 I can make one :) And in regards to ogg vorbis, it is better than mp3 until you get into higher bitrate like 256kbps and above, then there is really no audible difference. |
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