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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-05-07 10:54 [#01177244]
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Says in the newspaper yesterday that he had succesfully cloned 3 humans?? and are now in human wombs?
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-05-07 10:56 [#01177247]
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cloned?
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-07 10:56 [#01177249]
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people can claim anything, but there hasn't been any successful clones yet (any species) of what I know.
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-05-07 10:57 [#01177252]
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Very good! :P
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-05-07 10:58 [#01177254]
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thee's been loads
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-05-07 10:59 [#01177255]
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I was under the impression that they have cloned rats and some sheep and what not.... and they worked out fine?
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-07 11:01 [#01177259]
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no they all developed different kinds of problems.
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Free your mind
from Umeå (Sweden) on 2004-05-07 11:04 [#01177264]
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no they dident...of course its true, it dosent suprise me at all.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-07 11:04 [#01177265]
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Dolly the sheep, the first cloned animal developed arthritis, but there was no evidence to say this was the direct cause of cloning as it is pretty common in sheep.
Cat's have also been cloned but they display different personalities, colouring etc. still not really a failure.
I cloned a monkey.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-05-07 11:06 [#01177267]
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i cloned MY monkey, howbout that?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-05-07 11:06 [#01177269]
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i cloned my jizz all over that scientist's face
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-05-07 11:10 [#01177279]
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damn i was gonna say that!!
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-07 11:19 [#01177299]
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Clones aren't succesful, and I will never eat cloned/genetically modified food.
It's raw, natural, living food for me (obviously ;)
At first the fuckers at FDA said it was ok to eat cloned food (e.g. milk/meat from cloned animals), and if that would be correct; then sure there wouldn't be any problems with cloned animals (because FDA is always correct, right?).
But even FDA decided to take back what they said (after being critized by scientists of course).
If there are no problems with clones; if the clones are just as natural and healthy as naturally born animals; then why can't they even be eaten?
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3051
from Vietnam on 2004-05-07 11:20 [#01177302]
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I see clones every day!!!!
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-07 11:22 [#01177306]
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I'm not saying I would knowingly eat food from cloned animals but just because you disagree with it doesn't mean that every clone so far has failed. It is too soon to see what the long term effects are of allowing cloned food into the food chain, especially until there are proper measures in place to ensure that all cloning is done to a specific standard.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-07 11:38 [#01177339]
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... or just stop the useless cloning?
People are wasting resources and life on this for no reason!
If people want to be healthy they shouldn't try to find a cure to stop their disease; they should stop being unhealthy so they won't get any diseases.
GM foods do cause e.g. cancer. Let's spend money instead on giving starving people some real, natural, food.
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PhystPhukt
from The Holiest of Holes (United States) on 2004-05-07 11:39 [#01177342]
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Does he have proof that he's cloned?
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-07 11:40 [#01177343]
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no... or this discussion wouldn't be here.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-07 11:41 [#01177348]
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How can you just come out with the unfounded statement that GM food causes cancer? hahaha
Cloning could lead to cures as it is giving us a much better understanding of the human genome in general. It is an interesting area which should be investigated. I share your sceptacism over whether the use of cloned food is required though.
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PhystPhukt
from The Holiest of Holes (United States) on 2004-05-07 11:44 [#01177357]
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I guess that works.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-07 11:48 [#01177370]
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I do think cloning is useless - there is no need to know more about the body - instead humans should try to find out how to care more.
wtf? there are loads of articles on GM:
I just googled it, and here's one (though I haven't read it): http://www.sundayherald.com/29821
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-05-07 12:19 [#01177428]
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I dont eat modified food either... all natural for me.... its not good for you..
Key iam agreeing with you - im just saying there have been tons of clones of rats and sheep and various other animals.. and supposedly now humans.... i can easily believe it. who knows how good they turn out, but they can clone them.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-05-07 12:21 [#01177429]
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george bush is a clone of his father
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-05-07 12:22 [#01177432]
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I wouldnt doubt it.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-07 12:22 [#01177433]
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haha yeah I laughed when I saw that on 60 minutes. I had no idea.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-07 12:31 [#01177444]
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where does it say gm food causes cancer?
personally i think there are benefits to be gained by knowing as much as we can about ourselves
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-05-07 12:33 [#01177449]
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can you get pregnant by swallowing your own semen?
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-05-07 13:26 [#01177534]
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GM food can lead to cancer problems and other ailments, because the nutrients and essential oils in fruits and vegetables and eggs and meat cannot be fakely made properly and dont give your brain the food it needs to be healthy, therefore your body follows
what is really sad is that western medicine is so shitty and so many people try to protect it or defend it. digestive systems and the brain are the key to all health pretty much.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-07 13:31 [#01177537]
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yeah, I agree.
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-05-07 18:22 [#01177873]
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cool
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-07 18:56 [#01177914]
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And you're saying this because you are qualified in what way?
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scup_bucket
from bloated exploding piss pockets on 2004-05-07 19:10 [#01177933]
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i'm with ecnadniarb, there are obvious advantages to understanding how our bodies work. Cloning could have lots of benefits, such as cloning of organs for organ transplants. Do not completely disregard a whole branch of science as useless when its only in its' early stages.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-07 20:01 [#01177971]
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just for the fact that people are starving in the world countries could put some money onto helping them today - instead of helping them and their unhealthy lifestyle in whenever the research is done. Research is far from free.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-07 20:02 [#01177972]
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the second them is the people in the non-starving countries... sorry it's late here.
goodnight.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2004-05-07 20:17 [#01177978]
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lets not be techno-phobes
isnt curing cancer one of the goals of this research?
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-05-07 20:24 [#01177984]
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I dont say it because im qualified, in what way are you qualified to believe in what you do??
besides, read some books about it, there are plenty. as well ..... it makes sense. There is PLENTY of evidence to prove that digestive systems and nutrition are the keys to health.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-08 00:57 [#01178067]
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There is PLENTY of evidence to prove that digestive systems and nutrition are the keys to health.
Fucking hell mate, you are some sort of genius. You mean that through the reading of literature you have managed to ascertian that you have to eat to be healthy. Damn, you should be a doctor or a scientist or some shit like that.
I dont say it because im qualified, in what way are you qualified to believe in what you do??
You don't have to be qualified to have an opinion, but you should really be qualified to make comments like:
GM food can lead to cancer problems and other ailments, because the nutrients and essential oils in fruits and vegetables and eggs and meat cannot be fakely made properly and dont give your brain the food it needs to be healthy
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-05-09 17:40 [#01179937]
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read a fucking book dipshit. your a moron for thinking that digestive systems dont lead to all health.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-09 17:47 [#01179942]
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hmm...please say that wasn't a serious response.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-05-09 17:47 [#01179943]
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What next REFLEX? Are you going to be telling me that I need to breath to provide my body with oxygen to stay alive?
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scup_bucket
from bloated exploding piss pockets on 2004-05-09 17:50 [#01179947]
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i love you
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pacman
from looeyshmiel (United States) on 2004-05-09 17:51 [#01179949]
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GO REFLEXZ YEAH MOTHERFUCKER, BREATH E.
YU GOTTA BREAH, I DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE THINKING. AT AL
-flappyp
i mean...pacman.
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-05-09 17:58 [#01179953]
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WOW YOUR SO SMARt.
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pacman
from looeyshmiel (United States) on 2004-05-10 14:45 [#01181039]
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didnt you like drive up to some take out window and fake a robbery or something?
youre hardcore.
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