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coyote
from NY (Canada) on 2003-04-22 18:29 [#00663995]
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Simple question: What are your thoughts on the meaning of life? Is there a universal one that applies to us all? Do we each have to find our own meaning of life, and live by it? If you don't know , does it hamper your ability to live a satisfying life?
*Eats a bannana*
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X-tomatic
from ze war room on 2003-04-22 18:33 [#00663998]
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I am looking for my pants
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-04-22 18:37 [#00664004]
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What good is your life if you’re not always helping other people?
-Timothy Grover
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magiker
from Östersund (Sweden) on 2003-04-22 18:38 [#00664005]
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Beer is the proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Try it. TRY IT I DARE YOU
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-04-22 18:38 [#00664006]
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Simple question my arse. But for me, it has something to do with music, and cookies. A little bit of column A, little bit of column B. A quiet evening with a plate of cookies and a brand new album... THEN I'll have the peace I'll need to figure it out.
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2003-04-22 18:43 [#00664015]
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god is perfect, man is not man made beer god made pot fuck alcohol, if you like your poisonous yeast excrement that much ynot just drink ethanol and die?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-22 18:50 [#00664023]
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We fight, fuck, get buckwild Kill, chill, make love, have child Freestyle, b-boy, hit the block Build, destroy, get it hot
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Q4Z2X
on 2003-04-22 18:54 [#00664027]
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..the pursuit to learn the meaning of life.
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coyote
from NY (Canada) on 2003-04-22 18:55 [#00664028]
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yes, good point :/
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coyote
from NY (Canada) on 2003-04-22 18:56 [#00664030]
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that sounded sarcatic, but it wasn't
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-04-22 18:57 [#00664032]
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I think the meaning of life may be the joy you feel when the Maple Leafs get slaughtered in a game 7, and you know the collective agony their nimrod fans are feeling right now is... incalcuable.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-04-22 19:02 [#00664038]
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google's answer -- some neat thoughts on here
my answer: to reproduce
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Komakino
from Tan-giers USSR (Russia) on 2003-04-22 19:07 [#00664044]
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to annoy people; - you've all succeeded..
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flim nanou
from out of the frying pan (United States) on 2003-04-22 19:13 [#00664050]
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LIFE, n., pl. lives: it it all makes sense when I'm playing drums
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-04-22 22:59 [#00664200]
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your capacity to conceptualize meaning is evidence that you have been extended the gift of creation. you can define and refine this process by:
1)resolving to discover who you are 2)resolving to discover where you came from 3)choosing your path and walking it
some simple laws: your ability to accept love is the same as your ability to give love. your ability to forgive is the same as your ability to accept forgiveness. your refusal to judge your brothers and sisters will be your brothers' and sisters' refusal to judge you. you cannot be separated from your creator, nor from your brothers and sisters (creation is a process of extension, not the generation or reproduction of physical form). if you discover why these simple laws are true, you will have begun to transcend your suffering. you will possess the sword by which you will divide the truth from the lie.
signs that you are in trouble (don't worry, you can resolve this)
1)believing that your emotions "happen to you" 2)feeling that you are unworthy, meaningless 3)believing that only things can "make" you happy (mind you i don't mean simply taking pleasure from interacting with "things")
4)believing that other people can "make" you feel unhappy 5)believing that you can possess or know the whole truth (note that acknowledging that humans cannot really "know" this truth (rather they can operate ideas about it only) is *not* a nihilist position)
6)you are besieged with feelings of guilt but you haven't done anything to feel guilty about
but remember, there is no wisdom that is not earned. however, there are many excellent teachers.
there is no plateau to learning and discovery; within the network of self there are no limits.
a quote (which exists in elaborated form elsewhere): "that which you believe to be true either is true or becomes true subject to certain limitations; these limitations are to be identified and transcended." - dr john c. lilly
you must take responsibility for your existence and everything c
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-04-22 23:01 [#00664202]
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onnected to it. you must realize that each of us creates our own experience, and what we share in this is the result of agreements that we have made. we all want stability, coherence, and some degree of predictability. but we also want to be surprised, we want novelty, newness.
maybe you have already discovered that reality is far more intricate and subtle and malleable than our physical experience implies. so what are you going to do about it?
this is a personal version of ideas that are not mine, though i take responsibility for their reproduction here. it is incomplete and can never be completed. i share this because i think it is useful, and...since you asked...
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-04-22 23:46 [#00664224]
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being-in-the-world
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-04-22 23:46 [#00664225]
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ok .. i kind of stole that one from Heidegger.
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Crocomire
from plante (United States) on 2003-04-22 23:53 [#00664228]
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the meaning of life might very well be to type on a keyboard on xltronic.com. it's most likely.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-04-22 23:54 [#00664230]
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i don't think there is meaning. i think its all just a beautiful coincidence. that doesn't mean life is any less fantastic, but we should assume it won't happen again and we should take advantage of the time we get.
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od_step_cloak
from Pleth (Australia) on 2003-04-23 00:01 [#00664241]
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The emaning of MY life is just to have heaps of fun and help others have fun too.
I work to suplpy myself with money so I can have more fun.
I be nice to my family (most of the time) coz if I was being a dickhead to them then they wouldn't be having fun.
It's all very simple to me.
I don't think it needs to be any more complicated.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-04-23 00:23 [#00664260]
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amen to that shit.
enjoy what you got while you still got it.
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Cabbog
from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-04-23 00:27 [#00664264]
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What we have been told is how we men can be drawn into Christ -- can become part of that wonderful present which the young Prince of the universe wants to offer to His Father -- that present which is Himself and therefore us in Him. It is the only thing we were made for. And there are strange, exciting hints in the Bible that when we are drawn in, a great many other things in Nature will begin to come right. The bad dream will be over: it will be morning.
--C. S. Lewis
I can't stop reading his theology. I'm not an avid reader of anything like this and never have been but for some reason, something in his writing strikes a forgotten cord deep in my bowels. I feel secretly happy and inquisitive.. Is what he speaks of real? I've never really given it a chance and it's not like there's anything to lose right? Why am I ashamed to be typing this?
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Toejam
from Perth (Australia) on 2003-04-23 00:27 [#00664265]
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here, here!
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Toejam
from Perth (Australia) on 2003-04-23 00:28 [#00664266]
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*raises glass to xltronic members*
Here's to life.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-23 00:30 [#00664268]
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because religion, especially christianity, isn't seen as "cool" among youngsters.
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aron
from saskatoon (Canada) on 2003-04-23 00:32 [#00664272]
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i know the meaning of life, but i cant say. dead serious man.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-04-23 00:34 [#00664276]
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if anything has a meaning i think it is death. death is white-out and life is the mistake.
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Cabbog
from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-04-23 00:39 [#00664282]
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And what does the venerable titsworth have to say about christianity?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-23 00:40 [#00664285]
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what do you want me to tell you? i'm christian but ashamed of most of my fellow christians for embracing bigotry, hate, and intollerance.
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Cabbog
from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-04-23 00:46 [#00664292]
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This is sufficient.
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od_step_cloak
from Pleth (Australia) on 2003-04-23 00:48 [#00664295]
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aronZ - "mushrooms"
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-04-23 00:48 [#00664296]
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. . . and eye make-up, and unnatural hair color/size/shapes, and bilking the elderly of their life savings.
do you really think its 'most of your fellow christians' or is it just that the baddies are more vocal and/or high profile. evil christians make better news stories.
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-04-23 00:51 [#00664297]
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meaning is a human construct tied to a rationality which only can only ever explain a portion of the universe
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-04-23 00:52 [#00664300]
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all the same i am content to enjoy all the beautiful art that the world and humanity have to offer
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-23 00:53 [#00664302]
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"most" is an exaggeration though christians on a whole could be more tolerant and respectful towards other cultures and religions... then again that applies to most people.
we do have a very vocal bunch of twits/twats though! that's what really bothers me most.
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od_step_cloak
from Pleth (Australia) on 2003-04-23 01:00 [#00664308]
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Yeah, as with a lot of groups, a few annoying christians can ruin the image of the whole crowd.
I am not religious, but I don't mind christians, the whole religion seems relatively accepting and stuff.
Bhuddism (sp?) is in my opinoin probably the best religion. but i don't really know enough about it ot argue my statement or anything...
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Cabbog
from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-04-23 01:09 [#00664314]
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Why are you a christian tits? What compelled you to give your life to Jesus?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-23 01:12 [#00664318]
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because i believe in christianity. christ gave his life for us, i'm grateful and i try to live by god's will but i don't give my life TO jesus like you're saying. to get into heaven it's not prerequisite you be perfect; christ is the perfect role model but no one can ever live up to him, so why front like i'm some kind of monk.
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-04-23 01:14 [#00664321]
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i don't object to anyone being religious, and a flirt with something resembling religion myself... but i can't recall to many individuals who i've met in my time who were particularly cool (tolerant, open-minded, reasonable) organized-religious folk... i trust that they exist... but i wouldn't say that the majority of 'em is too cool... then again, it's asking a lot for the majority of any given demographic to be cool... which has been previously stated by others (damnit)
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-04-23 01:14 [#00664323]
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There is nothing good about Christianity. It is an evil disguised as good. Altruism, self sacrifice, voluntary slavery, it is all the same thing.
Superstition is what kept us in the dark ages in fear, servitude, ignorance, pain.
Reason and logic are countercurrent to religion. No pain need be accepted as part of life. Human faculty and ability should be used to ones own desire, and never to harm or cause detriment to another.
Selfishness, individualism, egotism; these are the virtues in the world and are those of free thought, action, etc.
As for the meaning of life, well, why is it assumed there is a meaning?
The most disturbing part of this thread <<"What good is your life if you’re not always helping other
people?
-Timothy Grover">> That's a scary thought, and a sick statement.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-23 01:16 [#00664325]
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hmm you sound just like the televangelist/extremist religious wackos we're talking about
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Cabbog
from Chautauqua (United States) on 2003-04-23 01:17 [#00664327]
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That was what I meant. Making a decision to conform to that way of life. But, what made you believe? What happened? Were you raised that way?
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-04-23 01:18 [#00664330]
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Any conviction I have isn't a belief, its knowledge, unlike "televangelist/extremist
religious wackos"
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-04-23 01:19 [#00664331]
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As much as I'd like to debate, it's too late for me here in Burkani Faso
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-04-23 01:19 [#00664333]
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pain is as necessary a component of human existence as pleasure.. i can't emphasize enough the importance of polar opposites, and the reconciliation and acceptance of both sides as necessary in the equation
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-04-23 01:23 [#00664338]
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I recognize these things, but I don't accept pain into my life as necessary.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-04-23 01:23 [#00664339]
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came to my own conclusions, to this day they're sound ones... christianity isn't just knowledge you can learn but faith you can feel. there's nothing i can tell anyone that should compel them to "convert", it's really something they have to believe for their own reasons.
because i, too, am tired i refer to this older and more extensive discussion
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-04-23 01:26 [#00664342]
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mappatazee: and thus spoke Zarathustra !
i don't think christianity would work without the promise of an afterlife.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-04-23 01:27 [#00664344]
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What I mean is; Do I think that every negative instance can be prevented in a persons life? No.
My point is that this "God is good and these things happen for reasons because he loves us so much" (i.e. wife and child are killed in a car accident, because that's God's plan) is a)weakness b)self-degrading as a human being and c)preventable. Make the roads safer, make cars safer, etc. Nothing would ever progress if we left the world to "God".
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