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offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2007-10-31 21:31 [#02139645]
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man. i've been looking for an interesting job for quite
some time now but all there is is marketing related stuff or
web design..and i'd like something creative or
something..web design sort of is but im not a
programer..it's really silly..like all contemporary jobs
only revolve around idea to sell something..most often
completly irrelevant stuff, like web space or
something..there's occassional opening in something remotly
interesting but it always requiers experience in the field
which i haven't got haha..it seems it's either a job i
wouldn't give a fuck about or giving up my life in order to
get some semi decent job..or, and this one seems the most
sane out of the 3 options - i start working on my own. i
only have to figure out what heh

dunno where im going with this..i guess i'd like to hear
your experience in finding a suitable job..


 

offline PORICK from fucking IRELAND on 2007-10-31 21:34 [#02139646]
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i'll read this sometime when the room isn't spinning, honest


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2007-10-31 21:37 [#02139647]
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haha. it isn't that interesting.


 

offline SlipDrinkMats from Thanks (Bhutan) on 2007-10-31 21:41 [#02139648]
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I didn't set out to be the world's 386,454,324th worst web
designer, and I certainly didn't mean to work freelance. But
then I don't know what else I'd have done really, so.. I
don't think this helps. I often say I work as a web designer
because I miss the 90s. This rarely gets a laugh.


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2007-10-31 21:48 [#02139649]
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do you have an expensive lifestyle?


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2007-10-31 22:07 [#02139651]
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not one bit. i used to spend tons (on nothing) but now i
make about 5% of what i used to make and it's not even
enough to pay my bills. i love what i do now and i want to
continue doing it, but i need a job that pays normal wages
so i can at least pay my bills. i haven't both anything for
me (except food) in like 2 years and im cool with that
because i don't need anything..and im not against
working..if it's somehting i love doing i can practically
work non stop but in the past couple of months that i've
beed browsing for a job i didn't find aynthing remotly
interesting.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2007-10-31 22:10 [#02139652]
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both=bought


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2007-10-31 22:23 [#02139653]
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i would love to give some kind of thoughtful advice but i
can't think of any

if you have come a distance and there are no forks in the
road the only option left is to go backward


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2007-11-01 03:58 [#02139690]
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my experience is much the same


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-11-01 04:16 [#02139694]
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I think most work that has a degree of "craft" to it is
rewarding (IE something which takes time to learn and is not
easily reproduceable in an unskilled worker). Also, those
jobs which result in visible, tangible things (ideally which
last for some time and that you will see again in future).

I like revisiting places I've worked at months or even years
before and seeing things I've done still being there/being
used.


 

offline chambre noire from Iceland on 2007-11-01 04:28 [#02139697]
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Become a plumber och electrician


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2007-11-01 04:28 [#02139698]
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mine too, it's awful
i think some kind of craft is the best thing to do. it's
pretty much the opposite to what you describe (which is
basically the kind of stuff i'm doing now, and it kills me).
my family used to have a leather business, traditional,
really high quality, unfortunately it didn't survive, i wish
it had, i'd love to be doing that now.


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2007-11-01 05:00 [#02139701]
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I'm very disillusioned with any work related to sales: it
also seems that sales, to a degree, encompasses the arts.
This is one of the reasons why I've decided to commence
studies healthcare and social work.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2007-11-01 05:45 [#02139710]
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im kinda too old to study again hah..there were couple of
jobs in field i studied for that seemed sort of interesting
but they both required experience..and the only way to gain
experience is to work in that exact same position (which
there are like maybe 20 in whole country)..it really blows

as for craftsmanship, im way too unhandy for anything like
that i think..it's really just as much my fault not being
able to find anything interesting because im simply
interested in very few things hehe


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-11-01 05:50 [#02139715]
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Apply for those that require experience, and say "I have no
experience, but there's no way to get it except for here."
Then refer them to the principle of ljubezen.


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2007-11-01 05:50 [#02139716]
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I'll be 32 or 33 by the time I have my degree. There are
people several years older than me in the course as well ..


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2007-11-01 05:52 [#02139717]
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i already tried the first part, i didn't included ljubezen
which now i see is what i did wrong!


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2007-11-01 05:54 [#02139718]
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i want to start something on my own but i really don't know
what people want.

i think the technique is to make people think they need
something and then sell it to them.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-11-01 05:58 [#02139719]
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Then, your best option is to finish or continue your
education, even if you're "too old" (NEVER!). Then you can
say "I may not have the experience yet, but I have the
education, and you'd bee fools not to hire me because I know
I can do this!"


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2007-11-01 06:05 [#02139723]
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it is silly, but this particular job in my field i was
interested in required less education than i have..lots of
these jobs i find remotly interesting seems to be about
experience..however as i understand it's a common thing
around here..people are looking for their jobs for years..it
can get quite absurd sometimes. governament is now sort of
forcing young people to work in positions no one wants to
work at, just to lower the unemployment percent. i remember
reading about this girl who finished her masters degree (in
education field i think) and she was sent to a position of a
cleaning lady at some office for education affairs. yes, we
have it like that.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2007-11-01 06:09 [#02139725]
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also, if i could make a choice of what to study again it
would be something completly different. i'd probably study
to be a proffesional musician.,,no idea whether i'd be good
enough to get a job, but if i did it seems like one of those
careers you don't have slightest worries in..though maybe it
can get annoying after you've practiced the same composition
for a 1000 times..i need something with low stress rate and
in my field i doubt i'll be able to get that.


 

offline lupus yonderboy from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2007-11-01 06:55 [#02139734]
Points: 1985 Status: Lurker




my work contract ran up last week so i'm now unemployed
again which is amazing. I can now sit up till 5 in the
morning eagerly awaiting my 'making of tron' torrent and go
for walks in the forest with my dog. instead of working 60
hour weeks and coming out with my brain so fried all i can't
even remember what people are saying to me. its all bliss
till the money runs out. . .


 

offline oxygenfad from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2007-11-01 07:15 [#02139736]
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I work for a company that's #15 on the Forbes. I have to fix
computers using remote access. When I'm done school I can
shoot for Programmer stuff, which pays a lot more.

Ideally I'm shooting for a career in video games or start my
own business building personalized point of sales systems
and databases for factories and shit.

Programming is easy, the more you know the better for any IT
job.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2007-11-01 07:24 [#02139738]
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"I can now sit up till 5 in the morning eagerly awaiting my
'making of tron' torrent and go for walks in the forest with
my dog."

HAHA! pretty much what i've been doing these past two
years. i love it, but money ran out..


 

offline lupus yonderboy from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2007-11-01 08:39 [#02139746]
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ha, yeah i moved back in with my folks to avoid rent for a
month or two so i've got some space. my day consists of
cycling between the options of Zelda DS> internet>
documentaries> music hardware> fridge> toilet. which makes a
change from tolerate boss> mindless work> talk to people i'd
not choose to> tolerate boss> mindless work> talk to people
i'd not choose to> toilet.

unemployment is for the enlightened=]


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-11-01 08:45 [#02139747]
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I think if you can demonstrate willing to learn and are
prepared to take the bottom (or even a bit lower) of the
salary band, they will usually be prepared to take you. As
DM says, studying (even something not directly related) even
if only at nightclass/part time shows you are still willing
(and capable) of learning, so they know you will pick the
job up quickly.

In slightly happier news, I was nattering with a couple of
academics earlier about the sort of work I want to do and
they knew of somewhere local looking for exactly that (I
didn't know such a role existed in the real world), so
hopefully I should have a new job soon! :D


 

offline oyvinto on 2007-11-01 08:45 [#02139748]
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try the idm stock marked


 

offline iiiiiiiiii from Gloucester on 2007-11-01 11:53 [#02139817]
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get a manual job. go cut some wood. seriously!

i did some refurbishment work on a massive clock a while
back and it was great. really theraputic. you kinda get lost
in it.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2007-11-01 11:57 [#02139822]
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[i] marketing related stuff or web design[/i]

You know, I work in a shitty factory in front of a dirty
machine, where i do the same boring manual work every
fucking day of my fucking life.



 

offline cuntychuck from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2007-11-01 12:00 [#02139825]
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gives you time to think, eh?


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2007-11-01 12:21 [#02139830]
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Im stupid


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2007-11-01 12:48 [#02139839]
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I'm


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-11-01 12:54 [#02139841]
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That sounds pretty fun!



 

offline epohs from )C: on 2007-11-01 14:07 [#02139874]
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I'm with you 100%.

Totally dissolutioned, totally burnt out, but can't think of
anything better.


 

offline mimi on 2007-11-01 16:05 [#02139925]
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start a business


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2007-11-01 17:00 [#02139946]
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porn probably


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2007-11-01 19:21 [#02140019]
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not sure what procedure is thought of as normal abroad but
here you first sent an application and if you're lucky
you're invited to an interview. it said the application
should be written in short, describing past experience,
education, special knowledges.. i never got invited..hell,
not even a reply to that application. i have never before
applied for a job so maybe to write a good application is
the key here..i'll definitelly check out web on how to write
proper cvs..
my passiveness is another issue i guess..im not comfortable
'beging' and that probably makes it look like i don't care
for the job too much..and i was thinking about it and i
figured at least my application will be different to others
in that regard..it didn't work obviously haha

starting my own business is definitelly a thing im thinking
about a lot..specially because i was never used to fixed
schedules and i have lots of other things i need to attend
to..career is definitelly not what im looking for..unless
it's in something i'd love doing. then i'd be in it with all
my heart. but doesn't look too good for that atm


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-11-02 02:09 [#02140072]
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The formal process is a lot like you describe. You need to
ring up/email someone involved in HR/recruiting on a regular
basis, every couple of months say. It shows you're keen and
they're much more likely to overlook your lack of
experience. Giving up when they don't reply sends the
message you don't really want the job.


 


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