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For times when a bunch of people are over, and they aren't all usually into games, and there's a bit of alcohol going around, and everybody is playing Wii sports (or something of that ilk) I can understand the love for the Wii controller. But I'm not sure it really adds much to single player, traditional games, really. I mean, so what if you waggle it around a bit to do certain things that'd usually be done with a button press? Or if you point it at things to kill instead of moving a scope with an analog stick? I found it all very fun at first, but now the novelty has worn off. I appreciate it's new and different and all that, but I'm lazy, and it requires more effort than traditional control does; I find it less intuative than good old button pressing and it can't be done so easily while lying in bed. I mean, the Wii is just old, last-gen hardware with a controller gimmick, isn't it? Or maybe it isn't. I thought it wasn't when I first got it; It all seemed very fresh then and it seemed to make games more "immersive." Now it does quite the opposite, and when playing it I just yearn to get back to some high-res HDTV gaming on the 360 with it's lovely, boring, traditional controller. Mind you, I suppose you couldn't convince a non-gamer to have a match of Halo3, pretty as it is. A match of Wii tennis, on the other hand, for the millionth time.... |
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basically you're saying the wii is too hardcore for you, which is a pretty odd thing to say. |
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Too physically hardcore, on the wrist, maybe. Gaming isn't meant to be physically anything! |
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It's different, it works and you have some fun too, what else do you want? |
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i thought it was gimmicky at first, then played it at a friend's house. got one myself, enjoyed it and once again think it is a bit gimmicky. but overall i think it is a great system for the price and the fact you can play games from the original nintendo up until the gamecube ontop of the wii games. that fact alone makes it a system that will always be in my possession. currently beating out ps3 in my book until it gets a big name game out there (mgs gran turismo) |
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i think resident evil wii edition is a good example of how intuitive and perfectly executed these controls can be. And this is 'only' a port. Soon to be released games like metroid and mario galaxy should give us even more wii-mote possibilities. |
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''But I'm not sure it really adds much to single player, traditional games, really'' Pretty much. The controller doesn't improve that kind of game design much, if at all. I mean, Metroid Prime 3 and RE4-Wii have great control, but you're not doing anything you couldn't do to 99.8% as well with dual analog, the games themselves are no different. The game design has not advanced in any consequential way as a result of the new control input. Metroid Prime 3 is the same old formula, and everything I've seen in the Mario Galaxy videos can be done just as well with a normal controller. It's the imaginative level design that makes the difference in Mario Galaxy, not the Wii-mote. And besides that, the controller is too limited, and probably the Wii's most popular game (Smash Bros) will mostly be played with an old-school controller anyway. The controller is good for other kinds of games, but personally my only use for the Wii is Nintendo's great traditional franchises, and none of them are doing anything so new that a 360 pad couldn't pull it off without a hitch. The Wii could do well with some more RTS-style games or point-and-click games like Zack and Wiki, those are the kind of games that really benefit from the added precision over analog sticks. Although even here there's problems, because the Wii is too weak to do a good RTS justice, and games like the rumoured Secret Files: Tunguska look so much better on PC with super high def graphics. |
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the question is... will it blend !? :o in general i quite agree with CS2x. its fun, non-gamers let themselves into it, + good party games. but the fact that its not a real substitute for "usual controller games" with clear advantage in reaction time, usabiltiy and precision doesnt bother me. we´ll see how that develops with some more games. as long as there are the oldschool controlled stations, theres also space for gimmicks. i wantzs more dance mats also :) |
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okay, so you're saying it's not a problem with the remote, it's a problem with the games. i definitely agree with that. if you want to see what kind of potential the remote has then wario ware: smooth moves is where it's at. of course, that's not a single-player game. but single-player games are so nerdy. nah, not really. |
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gather 'round the cold, uncaring glow of the computer monitor as you enter into a serious discussion about something called 'the wii'. |
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what? the wii controls on re4 are flawless. how can you deny that it adds to the game experience? this kind of speed and precision is impossible with any kind of traditional controller, so yes, it does chang the game quite drastically. i'm sure that if mario galaxy would have traditional controls, it would be just like m64/sunshine v2. it needs more than superb level design and the wiimote+nunchuk will be essential and after a few plays, unthinkable to trade in for a classic controller. |
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Not really. The mouse offers greater precision than the Wii-mote every could, yet Half Life 2 is the same experience on the 360 as it is on PC. Minor decrease in accuracy, nothing more. It's the same in RE4. I had an easier time getting headshots... that was about the extent of the ''game changing''. Either way it's no problem picking them off. And no, Mario Galaxy does not need revolutionary Wii-mote implentation to set it worlds apart from Mario Sunshine, the same way Resident Evil 4 did not need revolutionary Wii-mote implementation to set it worlds apart from Resident Evil 3. It's all in the imagination and creativity of the designers, not the controller. |
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When I first opened up that lovely white box, slid out the two inner-boxes, figured out what cords plug into which inputs, and finally had my first bowl down the alley of Wii Sports among the warm, blue glow of the Wii, I was utterly amazed. The control of Wii Sports is absolutely dead-on and I figured the following games would take its precise control scheme and implement it into more detailed gameplay. I couldn't wait for licensed, professional sport games to come out so I could use the innovative controls in a realistic franchise mode of an NFL, NBA, MLB or PGA game. So what the FUCK happened? Why have no other sports games been able to pull it off like Wii Sports did? MLB Powepros is the best sports game I've played for the Wii and it doesn't even utilize the motion controls. Nintendo - Just come out with Wii Sports 2; give me customizable players, stats, an in-depth season mode - the works; and show these incompetent third-party developers how it's done. BTW, I'm banking on No More Heroes to be great.. |
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In fact Mario Sunshine's level design was exactly what made it so mundane. Galaxy's GALAXY template is what makes it look so interesting, moreso than any control scheme. |
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Mario Galaxy looks like an absolute trip. It's daunting and I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to wrap my mind around it without a bag of mushrooms. |
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i didnt read all the posts, but i absolutely agree on your original post. maybe games will improve over time, but like, 99% of what i've played, the controls just feel real awkward and inconvinient. also, twilight princess was one game i was REALLY hanging out for. i was kind of expecting swinging the controller to the left would mean link swinging his sword to the left and whatnot. instead they made randomly swinging the controller the equivalent of pressing B. whats the point :S |
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We tried it at a party once, but it just got so boring no-one wanted to play. It hasn't been touched since. What the fuck is the point of this "console?" |
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I'm currently playing Resident Evil 4 on the Wii and the controller is fantastic. I was a little wary at first, but all my doubts have vanished. 10/10 |
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yes, obviously you and your friends are in the majority on that one. |
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The highlight of my gaming career the past five years has to be the part in RE4 when you fight the 'real' version of that lil Napoleon lookin' fellow. That shit is sick. |
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So much more could be done with the controller. I'd love a Rez-like music game, where twists of the Wii stick would produce various colours/music changes, and stuff. |
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Hey, you might be on to something there. |
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Jean-Michel Jarre: The Concerts: The Game |
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Manhunt 2 is coming out on the wii. Personally I'm looking forward to simulating stabbing motions et al. The wii is suffering from lack of decent games. From my experience, the tennis and golf in wii sports could be turned into their own proper games and they would sell loads. I can't wait for lego starwars for the wii. Although it's a kids game, it's great fun. Super paper mario is a great game and the wiimote is held sideways like a D pad and you shake it to go 3D, its a great implementation. I think the only people who currently have a grip on how to best exploit the wii are nintendo. Best wii games I've played: wii sports, super paper mario, wario ware... all nintento. I do know that my dad plays the wii almost everyday and is probably fitter due to this. He would never buy/play on PS3, xbox, etc. He only plays solitaire on the PC, but wanted a wii because of the wii remote concept. It's also more entertaining to watch people on the wii than other consoles. |
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I really believe that linking video game violence and real life violence is a scapegoat for other problems, however, Manhunt 2 does, for the first time, cross that line. Acting out a brutal murder is pretty twisted and Rockstar is begging to be blamed for future psychopaths out there. I'm not crazy though, so I can't wait to play it :) |
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Haha. That wouldn't be very exciting - you'd end up doing nothing but pretending to move the character's hands in time with the Wii stick while a backing track woddled along. Maybe it'd work better if you played as one of the fireworks/lights technicians. At least you'd be doing something substantial. |
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I love my Wii, I am playing Zelda and I am really enjoying it. I am really looking forward to Galaxy. It will be great I am sure. |
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One of these days I need to give Zelda another chance...the beginning just bored the hell out of me |
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It's worth it, I know what you mean the learning curve is a bit too shallow to begin with and it is a bit to narative strong at the start. But it gets really addictive. |
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i can't help but think the wii is a bit of a one trick pony. sure its innovation, but its not as intuitive as a decent analogue controller or keyboard+mouse. after a hard days work or a post pub sesh, i want to sit on me arse, not dance around the room. also for multiplayer games, its less of a level playing field, as you're at a disadvantage if you've used a wii much. also a good friend of mine managed to launch his wiimote through his front window when the wrist cable snapped. it was one of those, 'shit thats harsh but i'll laugh anyway' moments. i certainley wouldn't buy one. i'd rather get an xbox360 when fable2 is out. |
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I bet that there is already similar types of controllers and games being developed for Playstation and Xbox. I can see this type of controller revolutionising the games industry. Nintendo dropped the ball with the Gamecube and to a certain extent the N64. The Wii is a nice bit of kit and I am glad I chose it over the other two my only regret is that I missed out on Halo 3 |
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