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offline mimi on 2007-10-23 17:31 [#02136988]
Points: 5721 Status: Regular | Followup to Wolfslice: #02136772



the u.s. has been a "success" for a fraction of a second in
the grand scheme of things. look how long china and india
were hegemons--the u.s. has been pretty much done for for
years and it's really on the way out


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-10-23 17:40 [#02136996]
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Good post, but that still strictly your opinion of what
political success is. And while I fundementally agree with
your point, I don't think that power is always a negative
thing. I think power can by a byproduct of a happy,
productive society, and I think power can be used to a means
of well being.


 

offline yoyoyo from cornwall on 2007-10-23 17:53 [#02136997]
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Monoid for leader of the world !


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-10-23 17:56 [#02136998]
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..and your opinion is not just your opinion?

The only power that comes into play in a proper political
system is the power granted to its politicians by its
subjects. This power was even present in the rules of kings
and still so in the rules of dictators: If a king or
dictator can't hold sufficient (sufficient isn't
necessarily quantifiable, like, he has to have 50% or more,
and can even be a lot less, if one were to count it in any
way) power (when power is still understood as granted by the
subjects), he is usually quickly overthrown. In that sense,
even the hardest dictatorships are, in a sense, democratic,
if stretched far enough.

Political power is also not the sort of war-like or
"infectious" power to spread beyond itself, but rather the
power to distribute goods to its subjects, from whom it
gains its power (authority).

In today's society, the power of political entities, like
states, usually spreads far beyond what one would
traditionally consider its borders, and this is largely due
to trade and globalisation, or, rather, the entire global
political system. Thus, to count only those living within
the traditional borders of the entity as its subjects would
be just plain wrong, and thus the responsibility from the
powers granted to it, extends far beyond these traditional
borders, and to all subjects affected in any way by its
activities.

A good night to you all.


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offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-10-23 18:06 [#02136999]
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I stated my opinion was subjective, not quanitifiable like
measuring success agaisnt power. I do agree with most of
what you are saying.


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2007-10-23 18:29 [#02137007]
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i would say any system (like the mind) contains good and
bad

it does however seem to be the best system for facilitating
evolution. disaster capitalism, like the workings of the
mind, evolves more substantially with complex dilemma


 

offline OK on 2007-10-23 21:16 [#02137034]
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but best is a very defineless term


 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2007-10-24 16:18 [#02137299]
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