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The famous electrical recording engineer Steve Albini says of IDM "As the idiom developed, the music became more and more about the novelty of certain sounds and treatments, ridiculously trivial aspects like tempo and choice of samples, and the public personae of the makers. It became a race to novelty. I find that kind of evolution beneath triviality. It is a decorative, not substantive, evolution." Steve Albini is often known to record music without using excessive production techniques such as overdubbing. |
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says the guy that still does the same thing he was doing 20 years ago. |
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im so into this bit "ridiculously trivial aspects like tempo and choice of samples" completely insane haha |
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He's probably right anyway. |
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I agree. Most "developments" in IDM have been nicked from other genres like drum n bass, ambient, modern classical... etc |
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I love Steve Albini and, of course, he's absolutely correct in this instance. "Deocrative" is exactly the word, exactly. It's background musak for IDM musicians making their own background IDM muzak. |
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i don't think that's accurate. you might say that idm was more driven by the evolution of the tools, digital processing etc. and you couldn't have drum'n'bass without breaks, or dub. all the genres you mention are frequently characterized by appropriations from other genres. i think albini's characterization is what you'd expect from someone who doesn't like the "decoration." if you like it, it's originality, if you don't, it's "novelty." tolstoyed is right to point out that albini's production modus operandi is to avoid "substantive evolution." |
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meanwhile hi-hat related incidents are on the rise |
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also, idm is frequently characterized by artists who completely lack a public persona. people criticized idm for being faceless and impersonal. not surprisingly, it was media sources who latched onto cards like rdj. albini apparently learned most of what he knows about idm from some bullshit magazine. there's plenty of boring, sterile, derivative idm. just like rock music, hip hop etc etc etc. funny, no one ever criticizes zydeco for being derivative and predictable. |
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FACT: Steve Ablini produced Slint's two albums, The Jesus Lizard, Pixies, Breeders, Nirvana, The Stooges and a whole lot of others, as well as his own bands Big Black, Rapeman and Shellac. FACT: IDM as a genre produced a series a sonic farts. |
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fact, what you like or don't like doesn't mean shit to me. fact, steve albini RECORDED those records, he didn't compose or perform them. fact, steve albini is as much known for his status as loudmouth blowhard as he is for his engineering. |
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i appreciate the guy but saying such things is just daft. it's probably taken out of some context or just plain made up. |
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SlipDrinkMats ...as well as his own bands Big Black, Rapeman and Shellac. plaidzebra fact, steve albini RECORDED those records, he didn't compose or perform them. Fact: Uuuuugghhhhhhh Deacon. |
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FACT: I was talking with someone a couple of weeks back who "made out" with Albini once, some years ago, and I nearly went to meet her (not because of the Albini incident). But then I went mad(der) and didn't, which I regret deeply now. Maybe another time. |
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um, yeah we know he made his own band's records.... fact: i used to live in chicago and i saw steve albini shriek like a little girl when he saw a mouse run across the floor. fact: steve albini has never eaten a sno-cone. fact: a good 40% of steve albini's productions were actually accomplished by a life size cardboard cut-out of steve albini. while 20% of those bands were aware of the substitution, none of them chose to speak up. fact: next fact is pending while the wikipedia page is updated. stay tuned... |
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Oh he made them but didn't compose or perform them. Well that's perfectly clear then. |
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u got so many facts, richard |
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Steve uses and endorses heroin |
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eem. |
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come on now, you're just being difficult... but as you wish... as we all know, albini and his cohorts did indeed compose and perform the material of those three bands, barring roland, who was programmed according to the whims of a ouija board stolen from a local elementary school. of course, i'd be remiss if i didn't point out that albini has publicly declared the pixies and numerous other bands he recorded to be total shit. slipdrinkmats uses and endorses the fibrelife meatloaf diet plan. |
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I wrote a long reply but it can better be summed up in the phrase: You are total shit. |
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haha |
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no. steve albini is total shit. |
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it is funny knowing that you spent a lot of time explaining to me in detail why i'm shit. you're just another internet fuckwad without a clue about what you're talking about, can't back it up, just a fucking know nothing with a big mouth. |
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just a fucking know nothing with a big mouth. |
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any minute now someone's going to remind us it's just the internets... i can feel it! |
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hey bros its just da WWW |
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You are shit. Your brain is shit. Your head is shit. The words you type, are shit. The feeling you evoke in others is one of shit. I feel shit for having read what you wrote. Your beliefs are shit. Your mimsy, school ma'm manner is shit. Your avatar is shit. Everything you ever did or will do is shit. Your shit is shitter than everyone elses. |
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you saved your original post just in case you changed your mind! you should've just stopped with the "yer shit" post... |
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xltronic is BACK! :D |
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my shit is shitter than anyone else's shit. i intend to remind you of this every single day until the apocalypse. |
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Woo hoo it's about bloody time we had a pointless fight her, c'mon |
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Woo hoo it's about bloody time we had a pointless fight here, c'mon |
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wh-wh-what happened to your avatar, mang?? :o |
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I got bored of it, time for a change. I like being a little robot now. |
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easy there jeeves, i'm just havin' some fun. in all fairness, steve albini ate a sno-cone once but it froze his face and he demanded (and received) a refund. fun fact: i missed big black's last performance in champaign illinois because i had an ironic headache. but they lit firecrackers on stage 15 minutes in so the show was stopped. but not before an acquaintance got a hole punched in his skull by the incisors of some madly moshing douchebag. and yes, that douchebag was none other than slipdrinkmats. that is mostly true. |
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Who are you calling jeeves? How dare you. I have a good mind to teach you a lesson young man. |
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Now Playing: Shellac "Excellent Italian Greyhound" Now Not Playing, Nor Ever Will: Anything by anybody that's ever been on Zeebox |
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thanks for checking the profile. i appreciate it. anyone else interested in my fanfuckingtastic tunes, rally your ass on over to the address there in the profile. with a host like zebox, it has to be good. |
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champaign is a nice city |
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kinda out in the middle of nowhere, but we had some laughs. are you from illinois? |
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yessir |
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Albini is a fucking genius. Has anyone heard those drums on 'Cactus'? BOOM motherfucker BOOM BOOM CHACA BOOMAAA. ya. |
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Music that relies heavily on the novelty of the sounds does stand the chance of sounding dating very quickly. Didn't Milton Babbitt say the same? |
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But, many of aphex's songs I don't think will suffer from this. Mainly cause he doesn't rely too much on novel sounds but on composition. |
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He's not fucking IDM though, is he? |
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Also, It could be argued that Albini 's signature sound of his drum mic'ing technique could be a novelty that is subject to the same fate |
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i don't think it's possible for someone to do that to a musical subgenre. |
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that was in response to dog_belch. |
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