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Yawn, i cant listen to another minimal record. I need something with more MEAT! |
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Great story! |
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i bet you do... |
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Bad luck on living in Germany then. Fnar fnar! |
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It's wunderbar. |
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is it socially respectable to agree with monoid? |
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I've been listening to GAS today. That is fantastic minimal techno. |
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minimal techno is minimal. |
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Lol |
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If I'm transferring S/PDIF signals through a coax cable, ~2m long and 75 ohm impedance, will shielding matter much? I mean, noise can't be noise in the same way to a signal that isn't interpreted as sound until it reaches the end, right? I mean, less shielding could cause corrupted data to be sent, but unless that happens, the sound quality should be the same with a heavily shielded cable and a normal cable, right? |
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I'm sorry, but you didn't minimal techno, so I can't help! However... If you those SPDIF signals were transmitting minimal techno, then I would say the following: More shielding is better in every case. There are probably comprimises to be made with size, cost, etc, but get the best cables you can in any instance. Although you correctly assume noise on a digital signal will be different to noise on an analogue signal, it will still cause problems. Noise on a digital signal can cause bits to "flip" or change state from a logical 1 to 0. The effect of this is to corrupt the data. The amount of corruption may be small and may not be perceived by the listener, or it may be more and noticable. There is no clear distinction between crystal clear and corrupted, but more of a continuum, like analogue. The thing with digital is, it depends which bit is affected by the noise... Since S/PDIF is 20 bits resolution, if the MSB (most significant bit) is "flipped", the amplitude error for that sample would be 50%, but if it was the LSB (least significant bit), it would be tiny! (0.000095%) It also depends on how many samples are corrupted per second and the dynamics of the music as to whether data corruption is audible. I would suggest getting the best cable you can, or for short lengths like 2m using TOSLINK fibre optic cables if your equipment supports it. (light is immune to electrical problems) But perhaps before doing all that, if you already have access to a cheapo cable, try it and see if it's any good. Use your ears to test it. |
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Yeah, I thought about optical, but a 2m optical cable is awesomely much more expensive (and prone to breakage) than a 2m coax. Thing is, I got this cable that basically works, and it works better than the old 2m analogue monster cable I had (clearer sound, especially in the highs, and the bass is slightly louder and tighter). It cost, like, 69 kroner (very little), and the 2m monster cable (and equivalent consumer-grade cables) costs something like 550 kroner. This is just for my own music-making hobby ("minimal techno"), and mp3s ("minimal techno"), so audio quality doesn't have to be super great, but I was in the store, and I figured maybe I should try it, since the sound card (e-mu 1820) has both coax and optical. I got it working, and immediately noticed the difference, but as I always do, I start thinking "Ha. Maybe it can get better?!" I started doing the rounds, checking the internal D/A thingie of the e-mu vs the one in the receiver (Yamaha RX-V440), and while the E-mu's could be said to be better, I only work in 48khz/24bit anyway (due to power-consumption, ins and outs start getting disabled if I use higher hz, but it goes up to 192 or something), so the Yamaha's 96khz were more than enough (the signals don't have to match, right? 96khz would be the roof, not the absolute value?). I then caught myself doing all the worrying, and decided I'd just let it be, but as I saw you online, I figured I could ask. I'll settle with that it sounds better than it used to, and that I probably should upgrade my stereo again soon, as it's getting old. Thanks for the info! |
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Minimal techno is wondrous. If you want something with more meat, listen to something that is not minimal techno maybe? |
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Like what? House? |
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Electro, detroit tech |
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Although, are you sure you've heard the best minimal techno? Artists like Villalobos can't fail to blow your mind. |
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Villalobos puts me to sleep! So, maybe you can recommand me some Detroit techno! |
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You can't go far wrong with Jeff Mills, Carl Craig, Kenny Larkin and Juan Atkins to name a few. Drexciya and everything related (Arpanet, Dopplereffekt, Other People Place etc) is essential electro music, everyone knows this. |
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DJ Assault seems more like your type of music. |
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minimal is great. a little bit overkill know though with the scenester guide/ketamin etc. I think its perfect for pre and post mega party times. a good wonky tune is always nice to hear. |
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i like mike ink and sahko are they minimal techno? |
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hakan libdo |
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Minimal techno also put me to sleep. I guess it's becuz none of us got laid yet. |
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try maximal techno then |
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heh heh... Monoid needs more meat... |
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meaty minimal techno exists... |
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I bet Monoid would prefer that meat to be sausage... heh heh... |
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