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misantroll
from Switzerland on 2007-09-27 10:20 [#02125475]
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fuck you my xbox just got tree red leds :((( I was going to play bioshock and there it goes A luck I can get it one new for free !
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2007-09-27 10:21 [#02125477]
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The Tuss ?
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misantroll
from Switzerland on 2007-09-27 10:23 [#02125478]
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no Id rather say RDJ
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misantroll
from Switzerland on 2007-09-27 10:23 [#02125479]
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FUCKER
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-27 10:57 [#02125490]
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The reviews all go something like this.
"It's not brilliant. I am quite disappointed actually. But of a lazy update. Could be much better. 95%"
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-27 10:58 [#02125491]
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But = Bit Gew = Few
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staz
on 2007-09-27 10:58 [#02125493]
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finished it yesterday, fucking loved it. terrific stuff.
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misantroll
from Switzerland on 2007-09-27 10:58 [#02125494]
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Schew = Plewf
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1up
from greater manchester (United Kingdom) on 2007-09-27 11:25 [#02125502]
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i'm digging it. esp. multiplayer.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-09-27 11:45 [#02125511]
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Halo 3 gets a pass despite glaring flaws that other games get penalized for, it's weird. But the game really is no less than 90%, it's rock solid.
Misantroll- that sucks. It's because the X-God saw you blaspheming Halo 3. You'll know better next time, yes?
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misantroll
from Switzerland on 2007-09-27 11:47 [#02125512]
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I DONT GIVE A FUCK (ill get a brand new one tomorrow)
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2007-09-27 12:01 [#02125520]
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I already got to level 37 and beat Halo 3.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-27 13:27 [#02125549]
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I never really liked 1 or 2 (well 1 wasn't bad). I'll give this a go but I'm not a massive fps fan anyway.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-28 10:21 [#02125856]
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Good to see the Bungie and XBox forums are full of people crying that Halo 3 has broken their XBox.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-09-28 11:22 [#02125880]
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For real?
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-28 11:29 [#02125884]
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Yep, they are getting disc read errors, artifacts on the screen and RRoD's :D This is in addition to the LE version of the game being shipped with dodgy packaging that is resulting in scratched discs that are taking 3 weeks to replace and the special edition second disk with remastered CGI sequences from the first two games that manages to be poorer quality than the originals. So $120 gets you a small pastic helmet which you can ram into your rectum to get the full experience of being fucked over by Microsoft.
And on top of this shit is the announcement that some geek site thingy have announced that after investigation the game isn't even HD as it is running at an upscaled 640p which is a slight improvement on PGR3 which runs at 600p.
Congs Microsoft.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-28 11:30 [#02125885]
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Please excuse the poor structure of my above post. I am tired.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2007-09-28 11:33 [#02125886]
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wow... hahahah... To think that this is basically their flagship product of 2007... congs microsoft, indeed.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-09-28 11:36 [#02125890]
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I'm not surprised at it not being HD, this game is at times shockingly jaggy. There's no AA to speak of.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-09-28 11:43 [#02125893]
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Hahaha!
It's good to know Microsoft are paying for making artificial release dates just to get a head start: If they'd taken their time finishing the product, both the xbox and the ps3 could've been better.
At the same time, I may have to warn a mate about that so he doesn't buy the game until it works.
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staz
on 2007-09-28 11:59 [#02125902]
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uh, the game isn't upscaled natively.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-28 12:00 [#02125904]
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?
What do you mean?
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staz
on 2007-09-28 12:04 [#02125905]
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also, every fucking game breaks the 360. it's not halo 3, it's just their insanely faulty hardware. and the regular halo 3s are fine, no scratches. they're replacing every LE/CE too, so you can return it if you want.
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staz
on 2007-09-28 12:05 [#02125906]
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your 640p upscaling bs is a load of balls.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-28 12:06 [#02125907]
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Please explain why you think this is the case?
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-09-28 12:07 [#02125908]
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What is the xbox' resolution, btw? I thought they weren't making full hd games..?
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2007-09-28 12:07 [#02125909]
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But what do you mean by 'natively' upscaled? Upscaling is not the same thing as increasing a program's native resolution. I assume you know this, so what am I missing here?
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-28 12:11 [#02125911]
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The Xbox is capable of both 720p, 1080i and 1080p (1080p to an extent although the lack of HDMI on older/cheaper versions means it isn't really an option.).
Some games are produced at a lower resolutions and then upscaled (hardware based on the 360) to output at an HD resolution.
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staz
on 2007-09-28 12:23 [#02125915]
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i've fucking played it. when you upscale something, you will always have quite obvious signs of it (like in PGR), interpolation etc.
halo 3 does not show any signs of being upscaled.
zephyr: i just meant it's not being upscaled from 640p. it's obviously not natively 640p upscaled to whatever you set it to.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2007-09-28 12:26 [#02125916]
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ah I see, thanks. Just needed a bit of clarification.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-28 13:21 [#02125937]
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I've also played it. It looks as though it could be upscaled to me.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-09-28 14:32 [#02126023]
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But are there actually games made in 1080p?
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-09-28 14:34 [#02126025]
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That there is upscaling could explain the argument over whether or not there is AA in the game: I'd bet the people complaining about no AA have it in the game's proper resolution while the people who don't complain are having it smudged by upscaling it. Either in the 360 or in their tv.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-28 14:43 [#02126039]
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I don't think there are any native 1080p games for the XBox. There are a couple of PS3 ones.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-09-28 14:48 [#02126042]
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1080p as a standard this gen is not realistic. Most of the legit 1080p games are for PS3, and they're all shit except Ninja Gaiden and The Darkness. Ninja Gaiden is a prettied up port and The Darkness is too small scale to be overly taxing. There's no way complex stuff like Killzone or Uncharted are going to 1080p.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-28 14:56 [#02126044]
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Remember the PS3 games are currently first generation and in many cases ports of later generation 360 titles. 1080p should be possible down the road.
And Staz: Go home and get your shine box...
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-09-28 15:01 [#02126047]
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That's true, especially in the PS3's case. Sony don't make it easy for developers.
That said, 1080p definitely isn't in the cards for the foreseeable future, at least for the powerhouse games. I'd be shocked if late-gen games like God of War 4 or whatever ever got up to 1080p, not with the polygons and effects they're likely to be pushing by then. Hope I'm wrong!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-09-28 15:11 [#02126052]
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MGS4? SH5? FFXIII?
Anyway, I guess you won't be able to tell the difference between the consoles, graphics wise, unless you count 4d graphics, which only ps3 will be able to handle properly.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-28 15:16 [#02126057]
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I don't think devs will bother too much with 1080p unless it is relatively easy to implement or there is a massive explosion in sales of 1080p TV's.
It will be interesting to see what Studio Liverpool manage to do with Wipeout HD as that is meant to be full 1080p.
I've heard there is a reduction in track side detail however they are using this engine as a test for the new full game due out next year.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-09-28 15:24 [#02126061]
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I remember when MGS4 was going to be 1080p, and the direct feed screenshots were even in 1080p... then the devs went silent on the subject... and all the screenshots since then have been 720p. With the game nearing completion, I wouldn't count on it.
MGS4, despite being the greatest game of all time, really isn't a technical showpiece anyway. The textures are quite lo-res and environmental geometry is pretty basic. If they could get that in 1080p, it would be nice, but they'd be better served to keep it at 720p and 60fps.
SH5, probably not... especially if the 360 is the primary platform. FF13, who knows. A game that scale at 1080p would be amazing, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Killzone 2 in 1080p would be the real test, and they couldn't deliver. Killzone is head and shoulders above the other console games because of the lighting, physics and effects, it's totally not worth it for devs to sacrifice all that for more resolution.
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staz
on 2007-09-28 16:20 [#02126101]
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4D is jesus christ.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-28 17:58 [#02126114]
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oh well mr "i''ve fucking played it" "your 640p upscaling bs is a load of balls."
Bungie have confirmed it is 640p. Don't worry though, no apology necessary.
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staz
on 2007-09-28 18:32 [#02126118]
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source?
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staz
on 2007-09-28 18:34 [#02126119]
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oh, 640p. jesus christ, i've been thinking of 480p this whole time (the whole 640x480 convention fucked with my head).
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-28 18:46 [#02126120]
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:P
Easy enough done.
Combine this with the DVD and hardware issues and this launch might not result in the PR Microsoft was expecting. Good game though.
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staz
on 2007-09-28 18:50 [#02126121]
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i'm reading the bungie "clear-up" about it now. i really can't notice any difference from other games though, doing some comparisons now. i know the aliasing is a tad more than what people are used to, but other than that i can't really see the difference.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-09-28 19:00 [#02126125]
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What I can't understand is, why does it matter so much? I'm not a massive fan of fps but I can see Halo 3 is one of the best gameplaying experiences yet. If you have to make graphical concessions in order to enhance the experience then do it, rather that than a pretty 1080p visual feast that plays like a dog.
For me the generational jumps are more about adding depth to games and not just eye candy. Of course visuals play a part in it but it isn't the beginning and end.
However consoles breaking is another matter.
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retape
from http://retape.net (Norway) on 2007-09-28 19:05 [#02126127]
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I have a Wii because I hate the visual part of games.
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staz
on 2007-09-28 19:34 [#02126133]
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yeah, what i really like about halo 3's graphics is the lighting/animation, i actually prefer that to polycount these days because it actually looks more believable when they emphasize those rather than some wooden, smooth dude.
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-09-29 07:45 [#02126233]
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