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Britney spears hired an assassin to kill kevin federline (k-fed). |
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Cool speech! Poor guy, nobody backed him up.. (except one female as far as I could hear) |
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while the raw sense of injustice is felt in these students, they really should just shut the fuck up and let the police escort them out, or else they might get tasered. and I'll bet that really hurts. what was he thinking, everyone else would jump the cops and create a revolution? hah. |
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i didn't watch that video but |
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The girls will diggit' |
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My POV. Shouting at police and struggling while they are trying to cuff you (regardless of whether or not their doing so is right) is likely to end up with you getting a shoeing and a charge of resisting arrest. I got the impression this kid was more interested in being some sort of martyr/embarressing Kerry than actually having his question answered. I've asked politicians difficult questions at conferences before, but it hasn't (as yet) resulted in my being arrested. Probably something to do with the way I ask questions, but there we go. |
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i agree with you there, it was due to his resisting arrest. but on the other hand he wasn't really saying anything that should have prompted his removal from the mic. freedom of speech? |
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didn't warrant a fuckin' tasering |
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EVERYTHING AND I MEAN EVERYTHING WARRANTS A GOOD OLE TASERING !!!! EVERYTHING. |
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hey did you ever see that clip of that cnn anchor being tasered |
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i mean as a demonstration |
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soon as he mentions skull and bones. Unbelievable. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlSO8-4FxCQ |
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they should change it to freedom of polite and politically correct speech |
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in five years that'll seem fun |
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i got a stun gun |
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I blame the kid for believing that freedom of speech and the constitution of the united states actually means anything, anymore. They're no more a part of the United States of America than Iraq is. You have to be very careful if you are going to come out swinging with your questions, these days. |
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Have you got anyone with it yet? |
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its only safe to be subversive |
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of course you do, you fucking yank dyke. |
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ps - ceri - you're a fucking fascist cunt. the student did nothing to warrant an arrest. so what that he resisted arrest? the arrest was unwarranted. therefore he was absolutely in his right to wave his arms about and question their motive for arresting him. go fuck yourself. |
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This guy has a lot to say and hes not being heard entirely and being tazzed lol that suckz |
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yeah its hilarious! |
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these cops were obviously clueless as how to act professionally and responsibly. kerry should have stepped in and asked 'what the FUCK are you guys doing? i just said i'll answer his question' |
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I think the police were within their rights to escort him off the premises, especially if the owner of the building/heads of the school gave them specific instruction to remove troublemakers. That's not shitting on free speech-- that's controlling events so shit like this doesn't happen. He probably wouldnt have even been charged with anything. He should have just walked out calmly without making such a big fucking mess, I liked the guy until he started freaking out. |
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what the fuck did he do to warrant being dragged outside? His question wasn't even long - as my friend said, he's been at conferences where the questions spill over 10 minutes, and it's usually waffle that could've been done without. this guy was saying things that were actually relevant to his question. this is where newsbites, short attention spans and general fucking idiocy leads. |
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He was obviously more concerned with making an idiot out of Kerry and putting on a show rather then getting a straight answer out of him. Don't pretend you can't see that, douchebag. It's the proprietor of the establishment's prerogative as to whether he wants to allow this sort of behavior. Understandably, he did not, so the kid was escorted outside. He should have just gone calmly. |
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Bang on the money Wolfslice. The kid definately went the wrong way about asking the question, the way he says, "I'm going to ask my question, but I'm going to preface it, he's been talking for two hours" came across as a bit cocky and if I'd been holding a conference, I'd have probably been no more patient with him. If you look closely, you can see the SS guys confering when the kid starts going off on one, then they tell one of the police to take action. As J198 says though, I'm surprised Kerry didn't order the police to stop. This sort of "hushing up" of people usually backfires and it'd be much better of him to of said something like, "Well, obvbiously I wish more of the electorate had had your point of view and no, I wasn't in the Skull an Bones society" and tried to laugh it off, rather than be seen as complicit with the Police's actions. If the police tried to march me out of a conference, I'd be pissed off, but I wouldn't struggle/shout. What did he think the best result would be? That the police would say, "Go on then, have your little song and dance, hog the mike, fill your boots."?! If he'd walked out calmly with them, he'd still have put egg on Kerry's face. I don't understand what thrashing about on the floor and shouting until they tasered him into submission achieved. Anyone see the old chap get arrested under terrorism charges shouting a question at a Labour conference last year? That was much more upsetting than this. The old man concerned wasn't some wanky dissident who snuck in to the conference with the sole intention to make a scene, he had been a lifelong member of the party and was asking a serious (albeit awkward) question. |
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No, I didn't see that.. And anyway, if he did -- why does that warrant being pulled from the mic? He did absolutely nothing to warrant being taken from the microphone, and he was right to resist arrest. Why would you just go peacefully ceri? If it's the police who are in the wrong, why not make a scene? Why bend over backwards for them, just so they can illegitimately silence you? |
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Well said, might I also had that in all likeliness, those policed were republicans. They're sneaky like that. |
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get your fucking shit straight before jumping to conclusions. read some first-hand-reports. sigh, you would think, how often stories like this break, that you might have learned by now to at least wait a while for all the facts and accounts to roll in before jumping a bandwagon and forming a crazed opinion. but no, it happens over and over. |
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PORICK, you are missing so many levels, :( and with a senator in the room? umm, if you are getting arrested or pulled from a private event ... and you start going batshit crazy ... what did you think was going to happen. read some more first-hand-accounts from people who actually witnessed it, my friend. stop getting riled up over a topic in which you are missing facts. |
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PORICK, if you don't understand why his mic was cut ... then again, you are missing a few more than a bit of information. |
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elusive, I read that article on the police report - I don't see what it's meant to clear up..? In any event, the report was an internal investigation conducted by the police, so what worth is it? It even says itself that Kerry had directed that the student be allowed ask his question. As for "what did you think was going to happen" ... Err, anything but that. Anything but that would happen where I come from, but obviously it's fairly normal in your society, so perhaps that's why I'm more riled up about this than you are. The very fact that you and others from over there see nothing wrong with it almost pisses me off more than the event itself. What do you believe I'm missing?? Specify precisely. |
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It's a tricky issue. That's not shitting on free speech-- that's controlling events so shit like this doesn't happen. So the whole event is basically meaningless then. We knew that anyway, though. The event has to be controlled, because the politicians don't want tricky questions. That's always been the case. We're not going to pretend that a lecture or talk or meeting like this is ever going to be 2-way. That's beside the point. Let's take Ceri apart. If the police tried to march me out of a conference, I'd be pissed off, but I wouldn't struggle/shout. That's just a load of bollocks. All of us would struggle and shout. What did he think the best result would be? That the police would say, "Go on then, have your little song and dance, hog the mike, fill your boots."?! If instead of being giving tasers, the police had actually been trained to DEAL WITH PEOPLE, that's precisely what they would have done. Let's assume that this guy was a crank (I'm not saying he was, I've seen real cranks, and they always use the word "singularity"). In that case, you just let him give out for a bit, the person chairing the debate makes a token gesture of an answer, the speaker briefly addresses the point for his benefit, cracks a joke for the benefit of the rest of the audience, and you move on. |
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If he'd walked out calmly with them, he'd still have put egg on Kerry's face. I don't understand what thrashing about on the floor and shouting until they tasered him into submission achieved. Why stop with one egg, when you can have a dozen? Why take it in the ass and pretend that they're right? Maybe the "right" thing to do is to go quietly, but when everything's wrong around you, it's hard to do the "right" thing. Anyone see the old chap get arrested under terrorism charges shouting a question at a Labour conference last year? That was much more upsetting than this. The old man concerned wasn't some wanky dissident who snuck in to the conference with the sole intention to make a scene, he had been lifelong member of the party and was asking a serious (albeit awkward) question. Actually, no. Just no. With all due respect to the man, Mr Wolfgang was actually trying to make a scene, he started shouting in the conference. This guy was given the mike, and was asking a question, which had been given permission to ask. What does age have to do with any of this? This incident is just as disgraceful as the one involving Mr Wolfgang, with the important exception that terrorist charges were slapped on Mr Wolfgang. Otherwise, the point is the same. I'm reminded of an unrelated story my dad told me last night. He was at a meeting where people were discussing SFI (Science Foundation Ireland). There's been quite a bit of controversy lately, with SFI apparently trying to influence university appointments and job decisions. Some youngish guy made the point that this hasn't ever happened in academia before, that a government body has tried to intervene in university apppointments to suit their policies. An old German chemistry professor then interjected, "It happened in my country in the 30's". Silence. |
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As for what elusive posted about the police report: Okay, so he's an attention whore. But when he was downstairs, there was probably no-one there but the police officers, so why would he shout for help? I presume they stopped tasering him when they brought him downstairs, so he wouldn't be yelping from that either. Once there was someone to shout at again, he'd start again. That doesn't change the fact that he was tasered for no reason. Why was he even being arrested in the first place? I've dealt with cranks when I've been working the mike at "big important "conference talks before, with "big important" people. They ask interminable questions which have nothing to do with the topic at hand. This guy was at least on-topic, and his question was quite short, in comparison with some of the bozos I've seen. And the way you deal with them, is to pander to them. Let them ask their big question, which they think is very important, about time and space and singularities, and then the speaker deals with it summarily, the person chairing the discussion cracks a joke for the audience, and everyone moves on. No taser. No arrest. |
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GAME SET MATCH |
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clearly you didnt see what she did there |
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Freedom of speech doesn't really guarantee you the right to turn someone else's event into your own personal and indefinitely drawn out soap box. He was being escorted out for not following the format of the event, not for what he was saying. He should not have resisted the cops. The cops probably should not have tazed him. Especially once they already had him on the ground. |
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I got the distinct impression Mr Wolfgang really wanted a serious question answered. The questions student jackass really asked weren't serious ones: they amount to, "Mr. Kerry, were you complicit in some scheme to get Bush into power?" and "Are you a member of a sinister global elite that rules from the shadows?". I got the distinct impression student jackass just wanted to make a name for himself. Elusive's link backs that up. I also wouldn't try and resist arrest, despite you saying my claiming this is "bollocks". Sure, I might run, I might even fight with them, but try and stop them putting cuffs on me when there were half a dozen of them pinning me n the floor? No chance. The police love it when people do, it's an excuse to put the boot in, I wouldn't give them the pleasure. Matey boy was tazered because he wouldn't let them put the cuffs on him. If the police try and cuff you, unless you're confident you can actually fight them off and get away, there's not a lot to be gained my resisting. It's not like the rozzers walked up and tazered him mid-question. They asked him to leave, tried to walk him out, he walked away, they tried again, they grabbed him, he continued to arrest etc. |
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i thought that was the point all along. they shouldnt have tazed him. |
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Maybe they thought he was less likely to be hurt if he was cuffed while limp from being tazed than if they kept trying to fight him? I don't think it was necessary. It looked like there were plenty of cops there to subdue this guy. But, I'm also not trained. |
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i think the first thing you're taught at pig school is: look out for loudmouths brandishing paperback books. |
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greg palast books, nonetheless. dangerous! |
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Well, to be fair there's no way they could've known what that guy was capable of. The safest thing to do after he started trying to break free was to contain him, and since he was resisting that, the cops had to make a decision quickly how to subdue him without him being able to hurt someone else, or himself. I guess they chose to taze him. I don't think that was the best way to do it. But, if they didn't taze him they may've had to slam him around more or hit him, or put some kind of pig choke move on him that they figured would cause more damage than the tazer... crud i don't know. |
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don't get me wrong ... this whole taser-world scares me too. taser vs collapsible batons hmm, |
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