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jkd
from Twitch City (Canada) on 2007-06-04 22:19 [#02090621]
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I'm looking for help in all areas of music production: composition, arrangement, instrument choice, mixing, eq, compression....
Here are some typical, unfinished tracks of mine. (The .rns files were made with Reason 2.5 and only use the factory sound bank.)
jun-03-2007 mp3 rns
jun-04-2007 mp3 rns
One thing in particular I have trouble with is getting a powerful, wobbly bass sound. Also, my drums always seem a bit flat.
If anyone else would like to share .rns files I'd love to see how others use Reason.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2007-06-04 22:25 [#02090622]
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for drums i'd recomend using the scream distortion, set it to tape, put the two knobs all the way up and the damage knob to around the 5th notch
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2007-06-04 22:30 [#02090623]
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the one i wanted to post won't fully work unless you've got the jungle warfare refill :/
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jkd
from Twitch City (Canada) on 2007-06-04 22:45 [#02090627]
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I think if you go to File->Song Self-Contain Settings and check all, it will make the .rns file self-contained. I'm not sure though since I've never used the feature.
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OK
on 2007-06-04 22:55 [#02090628]
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if it's from a refill you wont be able to self contain the thing, and the exporter is the one who should do that anyway so... youll have to extract the sample somehow from the refill and the export it.
or give us a link to steal the refill
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OK
on 2007-06-04 22:56 [#02090629]
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also i think it only works for rps files. but i'm not sure
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OK
on 2007-06-04 23:29 [#02090633]
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ok i hid the stab a little (it sounded too dominant in the mix to my ears) with added reverb and some eq. and then i compensated the eq and then boosted the bass a bit.
also i may have fucked up the drums, but maybe I just added a lil more punch to it, i used roygiv's suggestion moderately. anyway i think it sounds a lil bit better, at least with my headphones.
did i fuck up your song?did i fuck up your song?
i think a fade in effect in that piano with the delay could turn out neat, didn't try really.
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jkd
from Twitch City (Canada) on 2007-06-04 23:31 [#02090634]
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Shit, I can't open the file. I'm guessing it's because you have Reason 3.0? I only have 2.5 :(
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OK
on 2007-06-04 23:38 [#02090640]
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oh i just realized i'm supposed to post my own files.. haha well i'm not ready for that because I suck very very much.
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OK
on 2007-06-04 23:40 [#02090643]
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oh damn yes it's reason 3.0 is there i way i can save in 2.5?
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OK
on 2007-06-04 23:47 [#02090645]
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maybe an mp3?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2007-06-05 00:23 [#02090653]
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i have 3.0 also so i guess there's no point in putting a rns up with none of the breaks
this is what i was gonna put up
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jkd
from Twitch City (Canada) on 2007-06-05 00:38 [#02090654]
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Damn. I'm curious how you do your breaks, especially that sound where it sort of sounds like the pitch is whizzing downward.
Maybe I'll cave and buy 3.0. It looks decent enough.
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OK
on 2007-06-05 00:43 [#02090655]
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oooh i like it.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2007-06-05 01:10 [#02090658]
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I cant imagine using Reason now with anything less than version 3. All the Modulation capabilities alone make it totally worth it. For what it's worth, you should check out this guy. All his tracks are used with Reason. From my experience, he is one of the most accomplished users I've ever come across.
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zero-cool
on 2007-06-05 04:03 [#02090669]
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is this a dub song ?
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recaps
from keys on 2007-06-05 04:14 [#02090672]
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Old Track (Search and proceed and it should find the samples)
Use the Matrix sequencer for everything.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2007-06-05 05:08 [#02090676]
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I use v3 now so I suppose theres not much point in uploading any rns files for you. I havent really found that much more functionality in3 compared to 2.5... I'm sure its there but I havent really used it, i wouldnt say its essential to buy if you dont feel too expert with 2.5 yet
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FatherClem
from Netherlands, The on 2007-06-05 07:50 [#02090691]
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Are the synth sounds you use sampled from another source or do they come from the mälstrom/subtractor? I'm really curious about them, they sound great...
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2007-06-05 10:30 [#02090721]
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its all malstrom
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2007-06-05 12:00 [#02090771]
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Regarding Reason 3 and Reason in general, it's important to remember that the software was built on an approximation of a hardware setup. With that being said, the true strength is in its modularity.
Just like in Flash, how the best designs use only the first frame of the timeline, some of the most powerful shit I have seen doesnt even require you to hit play to appreciate the song. In this situation, hitting play usually just adds some extra flair to an already interesting composition...
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jkd
from Twitch City (Canada) on 2007-06-05 12:10 [#02090776]
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Here's a question I have about routing. I always use a Redrum for my main drum kit. I end up wanting to effect each drum sound separately: compress the kick, reverb the snare, really short delay on the hihats to fatten them up and make them sound more metallic, etc.. But then I end up with each drum sound having its own fader on my master mixer, which is annoying. Let's say I want to do a small amt of reverb on the entire drum kit... or I want to do a filter effect on it.
What would be a good way to route the drums? Maybe have all my individually drum hits (post their individual effects) go into a secondary "drum mixer", and the output of that mixer goes through the effects that effect the entire drum kit, and then to the master mixer?
I never really use sends, even though both the Redrum and the mixer have this feature.
Tips?
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2007-06-05 12:18 [#02090779]
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For example, in Reason 3, all without automation and all without hitting play you can have a combinator that contains the following:
---------------------------------------------------- -An LFO from a Subtractor Synth that modulates all the patterns in a Matrix.
-These patterns in turn all contain different CV wave forms you draw in. They are split --> one going out to the panning in the embedded mini mixer at the top of the combinator, one going out the OSC rate of a Maelstrom synth (which is next as we move up the Combinator stack)
-The wave form of the Maelstrom is variable step waveform, this waveform goes out an Modulates a percussive FM Subtractor sound that is already having its pitch modulated by second Matrix. The output of the Subtractor goes BACK into the Maelstrom's Filter set and gets some comb filtering going on...
-THIS goes out the Maelstrom for a second time and now into a RV7000 reverb. The reverb is modulated by third and fourth Matrix --> It's dry/wet levels are modulated, as is the Echo Time in the Echo Algorithm of reverbs edit mode.
-Finally, this goes out to the mini mixer that has its panning already modulated by the inverse cv signal of the first Matrix.
-This can all be flattened and hidden inside ONE combinator and repeated in as many variations as your computer can handle.
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So what does this do and what does it sound like?
- This is an instant semi-generative FM percussion track, with variable time signature, panning, and spatialization. You could say it is Autechre influenced in that respect. All of this starts occurring the moment you open your file, all without ever needing to hit play on the transport.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2007-06-05 12:21 [#02090781]
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When I use the Redrum, I always patch each channel out to a respective channel in a seperate mixer. This gives me more control and more options, as well as the ability to modulate levels and panning for each hit.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2007-06-05 14:25 [#02090820]
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Here is the audio for the example below.
I disregarded some steps (thereby making it actually easier) and I included a noisey pad and a simple bass synth that is also "randomly" generated
mp3
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-06-05 14:26 [#02090821]
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Reason .NERD swap meet!!!!!'
HA H
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jkd
from Twitch City (Canada) on 2007-06-05 14:31 [#02090822]
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Pretty crazy.
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OK
on 2007-06-05 14:42 [#02090826]
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use the sends, they are very useful.
what you said can be done easily, add a global reverb to the machine, then add whatever effect as send and you can control the amount of the send effect individually.
if you route single samples to a mixer channel you could have a drum machine with up to 6 different effects each affecting the samples individually through the send knobs in the mixer and the redrum.
fuck did that makes sense? my english gets worse and worse. anyway.. in short, my tip is: use sends (mixer and redrum) and patch samples to separate channels.
yes, use sends
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OK
on 2007-06-06 19:32 [#02091186]
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so do you all get a much more quiet thing when you export? how do you deal with that, i always try to get every channel below red because i'm told red is the boogeyman of software. but when i export i get a very quiet file. and i need to turn the volume way up.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2007-06-08 00:26 [#02091568]
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actually can anyone post an rns that shows how to make good acid sounds
the malstrom doesnt do it for me and none of the rebirth downloads work on macs for some reason
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2007-06-08 00:26 [#02091569]
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and of course by malstrom i meant subtractor + matrix
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jkd
from Twitch City (Canada) on 2007-06-08 01:26 [#02091579]
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You can basically just use the TB Synth preset Subtractor patch (in the MonoSynths folder).
jkd-daft mp3 rns
Note that the rns file doesn't contain much. The mp3 was made by turning the drums on and off and tweaking the filter cutoff, resonance and and filter env amt knobs on the Subtractor.
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Jaser
from Castle Greyskull (United Kingdom) on 2007-06-08 05:30 [#02091613]
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Roygbivcore This is the best acid set up I have found for reason. sh-acid-rack.rns You can get a real hardcore acid squelch going down. Ceephax rinse out sort of thing.
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Fah
from Netherlands, The on 2007-06-08 06:06 [#02091617]
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i thought .rns was Renoise
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jkd
from Twitch City (Canada) on 2007-06-08 10:51 [#02091660]
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It is. It's also Reason. Fun huh?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2007-06-08 13:16 [#02091711]
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man what the hell is this shultz device
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2007-06-08 13:18 [#02091712]
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oh its just a combinator but with a different front
thats insane
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Fah
from Netherlands, The on 2007-06-08 20:07 [#02091803]
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would be more logic if
Reason = .rsn Renoise = .rns
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OK
on 2007-06-09 03:21 [#02091843]
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.wld .be .mre .lgc .fi .rns=.nfc .lnu=.kkk
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2007-07-02 00:11 [#02099046]
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i made a new rexfile to put in that song i put up (one that isnt locked from being in a self contained file)
Saskrotch-You Make Me Smile.rns
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OK
on 2007-07-02 00:45 [#02099048]
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what's up with the bpm?
cool song btw.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2007-07-02 02:40 [#02099053]
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i always program my tracks at double the bpm so i have more elbow room
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OK
on 2007-07-02 13:36 [#02099149]
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so you slow down the rex files to half the speed too?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2007-07-02 16:14 [#02099188]
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no i draw them in by hand
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OK
on 2007-07-02 16:20 [#02099190]
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duh, of course
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freqy
on 2007-07-02 19:04 [#02099209]
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why does reason only fill half the screen ? blahhhggg .
so instead i use nuendo and control reason via the internal midi thingy and rewire the sounds onto seperate tracks. musch nicer that way, for me anyways.
just a little freqy tip.
freqy.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2007-07-02 20:14 [#02099216]
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thanks?
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OK
on 2007-07-02 22:27 [#02099226]
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i guess you don't really need the rack to be wider. the sequencer can fill the whole screen tho.
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