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A while ago I made this drum n bass track in Live. For this track, I broke the amen into 1/8s and assigned each clip to a key on the keyboard, then turned the tempo down and "played" the breakbeat live. Then I went back and edited it a little. If anyone else uses Live, I'd like to hear how they do breaks. |
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tuss |
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Hi there cygnus. Does 'tuss' mean you don't like it? How do you do your beats? You seem to be excellent at it. Do you lay down each hit with your mouse in the piano roll or whatever? |
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If you use a tracker you can snaz the beats into a snaz order with snazality without livening it if you catch my drift. And by drift I mean waft because I farted. |
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i like it |
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i was just being weird with that lately i'm not into beats which are pretty normal sounding. your drum edits are good but it'd be cool if you had some unusual ways of arranging your snare timings. its good dont get me wrong, id only dig it when i was in the mood id doesnt matter but the first thing i jump at when doing beats is tempo of course. i start with snares and decide where theyre going to be -- then kicks usually, then some unusual bass sounds,i dont know, its different everytime. i used to use live exclusively -- do you agree that its sort of like using a word processor? kind of un-engaging after a while? your stuffs good but it sounds pretty 'normal' you know what i mean? and im not dissing it at all - if i could talk to you about it in person itd be a lot different sounding. itd sound less condescending, which im not being at all. id listen to this track more if it had more sounds, more repetition, if it was less afraid. you know? sounds like its trying to fit into a preconceived idea. also i think its wrong when people cut up loops like this one and think they have to use every sound from the loop and in a certain order. it sounds like a dog being walked instead of a panther on the hunt for some prey |
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, its not finished its simple and its not to serve as an example or a lesson its just to show how i feel about making beats. its simple but it gets my point across about how i was feeling at the time i was making it. i like how the snares are kinda unpredictable. you catch up with it and by the time you do you get the kick and its like "oopf!!" im working on in live too, uses weird scales for that style of loop/beat in the second half i dont know what to call it. sorry to hijack your thread |
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also when im doing beats i try to imagine im playing a real drum set |
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Yeah, my track is basically trying to mimic old drum and bass. I like all three of your tracks. They're way more idm than dnb, I'd say. |
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You mean good. I don't approve this, you'll burn for the weak amen twiddling and song structure. |
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why "IDM" |
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would sound a bit better if it wasnt so structured as cygnus mentioned. which btw im pissed i missed the latest laptop deathmatch cuz ive been telling myself im gonna go but never get around to it. |
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Do you lay down each hit with your mouse in the piano roll or whatever? no man i just start w/ a loop on a timeline thingy and just change it over time, adding/dropping fading in sounds, works great man. ive tried several times to do a track note for note. what i tried was using faders to turn off and on sets of sounds and loops at a very low tempo, recording a few runs, cutting 'em together then listening to it at a faster tempo but i havent been able to get it how i want. it hasnt sounded 'right' yet, sounds quite shitty actually |
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I feel cygnus sums it up rather well: "It sounds like a dog being walked instead of a panther on the hunt for some prey". It'd sound better if it had more force, and less structured "linear" beat. But as an old drum n bass-track it's allright. Make it darker, make it harder, and mess around with the beats. And find some old movie samples and add it to the atmosphere. |
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Nice tracks, there, Cygnus. |
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Do you mean you change the loop in real time, while it's looping? Or do you copy and paste it over and over again, while making edits as you get further along? I've made a song by editing a loop while it's playing, but I can't figure out any way to "record" it except recording the audio rather than the midi... which means it has to be a live take, and you can't fix any mistakes. |
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Hello. I listened. It definitely isn't basd for a straight drum and bass thing. Cygnus' music is defnitely more IDM than drum and bass but no doubt there are things you could learn from him. |
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what it is i try doing is hittin record on live and playing a loop that consists of about 5-6 sounds, or whatever.. using faders that ive bound to "on" and "off" on sounds i play it at about 1/4 its original tempo. for me it makes for high resolution expressive sequencing, "live" sequencing. i cut up the drum loop live as its recording. there are effects on some sounds and no effects on others, knobs take care of the params on that (delay,filter,whatever) i use a UC-33 as a midi controller but i need a new one its sort of been beat up after that's recorded i play it and listen to what i got. its usually shitty, i dont know why i cant get it right. always just sounds mad stupid. but, the idea is to get more expressive movements out of one loop because you can interact with the shit realtime instead of pre-planning it using a mouse; i have no problem making beats with a mouse though. what about my music is "IDM"???????? |
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