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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-04-30 21:34 [#02077846]
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What is it with people getting so offended over words? Take the whole Don Imus "scandal." Imus is an idiot. Anyone who makes a racist comment is either a) Ignorant or b) Joking... or perhaps both, as was the case with Imus.
Here come the sharks... That bloated windbag Al Sharpton and that self righteous Jessie Jackson circling outside CBS trying to get him fired. They love it. They love to do that. They love having this "thing" that they can make an issue of. So they try and execute their power through forms of censorship. All this pressure to get Imus off the air... it's a fucking witch hunt. They turned a blithering old idiot on the radio into a monster, and people listend. And this was after he apologized!
Instead of holding a press conference and demanding his resignation, why didnt the team just shoot back: "Imus, you got no right to talk, you look like a fucking gremlin and your words have no class." Instead they ran into Al Sharptons open arms and he milked this and turned it into a media circus.
People, these words only have power if you give them power. If everyone stopped being all wound up and tight assed over non-threatening words, the world be be a better place. If someone makes a stupid comment that could be taken as racist, then you know what person is a moron, and just leave it at that.
And don't even get me started about those minority groups forcing the Taco Bell dog commercials off the air...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-04-30 21:51 [#02077848]
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we should be beyond the racism in this time and age. it's silly one must be careful what he/she says just so no one gets offended over no reason. i think majority of world population sees all people as equals. ofcourse there are racist living in this society as well but it's silly the whole society must be careful beacuse of the idiots. imo.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2007-04-30 21:52 [#02077849]
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i think majority of world population sees all people as equals.
LOL
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-04-30 21:52 [#02077850]
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I agree completely.
I mean theres always going to be a few idiots that say stupid things. Their words make them look bad, we don't need to execute them at the stake for it, and we sure dont need laws that would stop people from voicing their opinion... even if it is moronic.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-04-30 21:56 [#02077851]
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you don't agree with that or did i use a wrong term? : )
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2007-04-30 21:58 [#02077852]
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what exactly did he say?
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-04-30 22:00 [#02077853]
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he said the the majority of people on earth consider everyone an equal.... I'd agree more or less.
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The_Shark
on 2007-04-30 22:00 [#02077854]
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I'd never heard the term "nappy head" until I read about this.
I still don't really know what it means.
No one outside of whatever buttfuck radius of that radio station really gives a shit, but America, please keep letting your ugly face slip from behind the smiley mask and then wringing your hands about it whilst you try and stick it back on. You look like even bigger twats than the rest of the world normally takes you for.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2007-04-30 22:05 [#02077855]
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being a black man who lives in the southern united states i must respectfully disagree with you
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-04-30 22:07 [#02077856]
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So the majority of people in your area consider you less then a human?
you must be living DEEP in Hickstown. Banjo's, possums etc.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2007-04-30 22:08 [#02077857]
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No, what did Imus say
(don't worry, googling..... insightful comment to follow)
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2007-04-30 22:09 [#02077858]
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that whole last paragraph didn't make any sense
"nappy head" is a somewhat disrespectful slang for black americans
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-04-30 22:09 [#02077859]
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he called the rutger's womans basketball team "nappy headed ho's"
like "whew.. I dunno... them's some nappy headed ho's"
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-04-30 22:11 [#02077860]
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this is Imus btw, lol
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2007-04-30 22:14 [#02077861]
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He referred to a team of black basketball players as "nappy-headed hos", on air.............
Is that both racist and sexist?
And he's been sacked. I don't consider it censorship to take him off the air.
At worst it's good bussiness-sense, at best it's assuming the moral high-ground.
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-04-30 22:21 [#02077862]
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I consider putting political pressure to fire someone on an entertainment studio a form of censorship... even if it's not government sanctioned.
Yeah what he said was bad, but it became much worse when everyone took it so seriously and built it up and made him into a monster when he was just a little insect.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-04-30 22:30 [#02077863]
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Yes. I lived down south for a little while. While there are many beautiful things about southern US (the warmth being one, the food being another), the people there were far from perfect. Racism was tolerated for the most part, and guys were abusive to their girlfriends. It was why I didn't like living there.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2007-04-30 22:31 [#02077864]
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His original statement was an insult, nothing more than that. He wasn't airing an opinion, therefore it's not censorship.
I'm not aware of the details of what has happened afterwards, but I think you run the risk of coming across as an apologist.
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-04-30 22:35 [#02077865]
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Every time someone makes a statment that could be taken as "racist" this marching band is going to come in and FORCE them off the air! That amounts to censorship!
I've never heard Imus in my life, he's already apologized for himself.... as I've said, I would have just publicly told him off just like he did to the players. Imus was dogshit, I would never apologize for him
But I do beleive people like having something to be offended about, it gives them a power. And they swarmed and executed that power over something basically trivial.
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-04-30 22:37 [#02077866]
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And if a black dude had made the same comment, you best beleive Al Sharpton wouldnt have been picketing outside CBS.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2007-04-30 22:40 [#02077867]
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I think you're assuming that everyone, like you, thought it was trivial. Perhaps a large number of people (say, women and black americans perhaps) found it highly offensive.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2007-04-30 22:40 [#02077868]
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conjecture
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-04-30 22:45 [#02077869]
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but WHY? Why get so offended at such an insignifigant radio personality? He's obviously ignorant and stupid to make such comments. Why waste such energy on him? that's what this is about for me.
Any enlightend person of any race would see that he's just another dumb bigot, or made a joke in really poor taste. Just MOVE on, nothing more to see here. Don't listen to his show. Better yet, call in and tell him off to his face (ears).
These kind of people are always going to be around, the rest of us can just move foward without them, and without creating a circus every time something like this happens.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2007-04-30 22:50 [#02077871]
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I guess the people involved don't see it as a waste of time or energy....... the man is a broadcaster.
And how many enlightened people are there in your neighbourhood? How many have you met in your life?
More importantly, is The Tuss RDJ?
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-04-30 22:55 [#02077872]
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I'm privlaged to live in a very racially mixed, liberal area of California. I have met the occasional bigot, but again that's just par for the course, and I don't give it another thought. They're not worth my time.
Let's just agree that we both love Proem's Socially Inept, and that more people in the world should be listening to that right now.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2007-04-30 23:03 [#02077873]
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right on :)
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2007-04-30 23:53 [#02077881]
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Sharpton and Jackson are a hate mongers/ Its their living. I hate the censorship of words. Big Time..If people didn't want to hear Imus they could have changed the channel. Let the market decide.. Thats real free speach.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2007-04-30 23:59 [#02077882]
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but yeah, I believe it was a witch hunt. Sharpton saw an opportunity. I suspect Imus is an asshole to a lot of people and many in the entertainment business rallied to get him off the air.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2007-05-01 00:01 [#02077883]
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This reminds me of the Top Gear episode where they bought cars to travel through southern America. Causing a big mess when they decided to paint "Nascars Suck" and "Gay Freedom" on their cars while going through Virginia.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2007-05-01 01:40 [#02077887]
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Virginia aint that southern
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EVOL
from a long time ago on 2007-05-01 04:39 [#02077920]
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yeah, it was only home to the capital of the confederacy during the american civil war.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-05-01 04:49 [#02077924]
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I must agree with Cygnus. I've just come back from a month travelling around the southern states of America. I knew that race was much more of big deal there than in the UK, but I hadn't quite realised to what extent.
I would say, however, that in most of the developed world, most people are not particularly rascist. Although, to quote the Avenue Q song of the same name, "Everyone's a little bit rascist."
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RussellDust
on 2007-05-01 08:30 [#02077969]
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I agre with Wolfslice. the hypocrisy behind this whole 'moral battle' is sickening. i also think tolstoyed is not that far from wrong though maybe a bot too keen, and then i keep forgetting the USofA are the center of the world.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2007-05-01 09:01 [#02077971]
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i think it's ludicrous.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-05-01 09:02 [#02077972]
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That was a funny episode.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2007-05-01 09:12 [#02077975]
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also, two things to check -
this
and frank zappa's opinions on the supposedly detrimental affects of words.
(although i can see that this is completely different to the PMRC - we're talking about the supposed disrespect towards a race's culture and history, as opposed to the supposedly contaminating effect of words)
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2007-05-01 11:31 [#02077995]
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Virginia is the south, but its a pretty progresive place. It's more Northern in attitude. Richmond is a great town
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2007-05-01 11:36 [#02077998]
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I don't know why race is such a problem in the usa more than anywhere else. Any opinions? American didn't invent slavery.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2007-05-01 11:37 [#02077999]
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I figure it's something to do with the whole "melting pot" status and concept
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EVOL
from a long time ago on 2007-05-01 16:52 [#02078118]
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virginia is for loverstarget=_blank><3
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-05-01 18:58 [#02078154]
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america is always an exception..i have no idea about how things work there.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2007-05-01 22:15 [#02078185]
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my mistake. it was louisiana or texas or something. it's all the same to me, of course.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-05-01 22:19 [#02078188]
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all you know is florida is west and california is east am i right. america sucks.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2007-05-01 22:25 [#02078190]
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right. and twin peaks is a small town near the canadian border. which is in the south too, is it not?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-05-01 22:29 [#02078191]
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it borders on canada in the south and argentina on the west i think.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2007-05-01 22:37 [#02078192]
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dunno. i always forget which country actually is america. there's just lots of countries over there. too much if you ask me. whenever i see i map, i just think "whoops, wrong side of the planet!".
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-05-01 22:40 [#02078195]
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indeed. on the other hand, philipines and australia are much easier to handle.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2007-05-01 22:43 [#02078196]
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yes. a country which isn't surrounded by sea is not a real country. exceptions to this rule are europe and the UK.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-05-01 22:54 [#02078203]
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yes, but also because there's no other country on their right.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2007-05-01 23:01 [#02078205]
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i'd almost think that at one time the world actually was flat, but that they got bored. and when they decided to put the ends together they discovered they needed more land and so they created another continent. supposedly there were still some spare parts left.
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