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There was a time when electronic music was concidered to be "future music", the cutting edge, the new frontier of music etc. When indie / rock artists such as The Auteurs, Saint Etienne and Beck commissioned IDM musicians to make remixes for them, when MTV and other channels aired electronic music in their most endearing and alternative shows (late at night). When did this end? |
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it stopped being cutting edge when everyone decided to either start doing the same shit they did 10 years ago or trying to be the most cutting edge |
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It started this morning. |
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And ended at noon. |
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after confield |
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Actually, yes. I think. |
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it's all top gear's fault |
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It just got stale, that's what I think |
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definitely flogging, dead horse, etc |
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i was thinking about this the other day as well and i came to the conclusion that it all ended the moment somebody coined the term "IDM." before that, what we might've considered idm now, didn't fit into any specific genre as it mostly consisted of several genres spliced together; trance, ambient, techno, dnb, & etc... it was mainly experimental in that sense, where whatever sound that hapened to come out of a new mix wasn't necesarily classifiable in any one particular definition. hence the generic term "IDM," which has become this beast of wacky dark mangled shit. kinda like kids these days with no sense of music history that believe ska is just happy, up tempo rock music with silly horns thrown in for comical purpose... |
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fruityloop killed it |
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Because what's popular usually changes. |
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i remember when it was called "intelligent techno." |
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IDM is almost an old a term as the music itself, it might be more useful to talk about "electronic music". This retrospectiveness in music today might be typical behaviour of a post-century-change period, you never hear about the 1900-1910 period, etc. Maybe IDM / electronic music's adolescent age just happened at a unsuitable time? |
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Well, it was never mainstream popular was it? |
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Well, it still garnered more affect and attention at some time or the other, because it was a fairly new subgenre. Stuff like that happens all the time. |
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wtf! happened? |
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GG |
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needs more tridenti |
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After Aphex got scared of the popularity he was getting from Come to daddy and Windowlicker. |
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Tell me COH Vladislav Delay Pan Sonic Alvo Noto Thomas Brinkmann Cyclobe Eats Tapes E. B. Federlion RKB are not some of the sickest shit to happen in the last five years. You've lost your edge, bro. |
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iirc the term idm originates from about 1993. |
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when i remixed dj tdn track |
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Nothing is new when it's old. |
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Future music ended in 2012. |
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'nu rave' is where its at apparently. |
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Albums like "Chiastic Slide" and "Go Plastic" still sound pretty cutting edge to me. I've listened to a lot of non "IDM" stuff lately, and comming back to those sorts of albums made me realise it's still very fresh sounded music. |
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Who cares about cutting edge music. It's all about nostalgia. End. |
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*sounding |
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You said 'sounded', that was the honest reply. |
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new music? i've been listening in the wrong direction! |
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1994 |
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thank you for reiterating my point |
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you know what went wrong. it all happened after the 80s. a lot of music you just cant dance to anymore. what good is music socially if all you can do is stand there and shuffle at best, stuffing yourself full of mind altering substances to make the experience at all enjoyable? |
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Nah man, Aphex Twin's "Drukqs" is great fun to dance to! In fact loads of IDM is really fun to dance to. I went to the Koko Autechre concert sober and it still posessed my legs to move (probably an unpleasant sight...) And I did mean "sounding"...1997-era IDM still sounds more interesting than most current mainstream trance/dance/breakbeat/whatever acts. :-) And even though some of this music isn't that melodic, a lot of it has a stronger melodic sense then a lot of other stuff out (if you're into Plaid or Squarepusher's catchier exploits...) |
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After Come To Daddy and Windowlicker, cos they made IDM more popular. |
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idm cutting edge idm was intended to represent "intelligent" dance music so crap from its inception then but even if you like "idm" a lot of people have been deluded that there are loads of great artists/albums there - there aren't! lots of good tracks, only very few really great artists/albums, as with any genre perhaps the original audience is maturing to that and broadening its edge so it does not have any "cutting" as you call it "cutting edge" - what is cutting edge. you either like sounds you know and are afraid of what you dont or you are bored with sounds you know and are obsessed with learning something greater or somewhere in between the conglomorence of everything and media squat on top of everything breeds apathy and dilutes useful influence, just dig a bit deeper. |
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to me idm is not dead, i still hear a lot of good tracks made these days. however, there aren't all that many original artists in the genre. if you download the most popular albums on oink, you will see that almost every one of those albums stand out from the rest. it's people like autechre, aphex, radiohead, tool etc that people want. i think people ultimately do not care about the genre, they care about what is good music, which can come in many genres. hello everything got at least 300 seeders on oink, and hes a frontman for idm, bolas shapes got 50 seeders or so, and i bet autechres next album will get a lot too. this points to that idm is not dead, but rather people have become EXTREMELY picky about what they purchase/download, so all the minor artists are left behind. |
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i dont think it's stopped being cutting edge. theres a lot of bad artists but i dont think that means electronica has dulled or anything like that... |
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i think the definition of "IDM" or whatever that acronym has changed a bit, too. it used to mean dance music that had really intricate programming and sequencing -- now it means any music that doesn't have an identifiable genre and has a fanbase of mostly smart white people. right? |
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even crap artists make one great track tho keeping on top of it is a full time job really, there are rewards but there is stress too one's art is an expression of one's science the limits of one are proportional to the limits of the other |
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lol well yes |
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I dont think that the music has stopped being cutting edge, there are still a lot of musicians that make original electronic music. You just have to look in other places besides Warp (no offence). |
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after drukqs |
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if you like breakcore + consider it part of idm i think a lot of venetian snares + oxygenfads fakecore producer go home are still cutting-edge idm. autechre are cutting-edge too but that doesnt mean i think its better than their early records. |
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(yawn) |
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there have been some good points made by everyone who's contributed to this thread. i think a good point is, really, one's own perception of what is cutting edge and ultimatley what cutting edge is supposed to be, generally speaking. idm, you could say, is just a badge people place on any type of electronic music they don't want to be grouped together with any other preconcieved boundaries or steroetypes that can stem from specifics set by genres already established. the fact that idm has been around for over a decade now, it will continue to grow by constantly gaining the support of new listeners intrested in a fresh break from either mainstream pop music or underground rave trends of the day. i think the mystery, or better yet, the lack of knowledge and spread there of about the history of the idm genre by the people who consistently participate in it, only serves to perpetuate a lot of the stagnation and homoginization of new artists that occurs with a lack of thirst to really push the limits of a style that seems to have already established it's own unique niche in the market. the moniker of idm, can only go so far when inclusion is marked by rules or standards whose purpose is designed to keep new ideas from breaking down previous barriers in the system that could possibly lead to new directions in sound. that of course would not make the title idm able to pin down any one definition. thus successfully capitalizing on a marketing campaign by a label for a new album would be nearly impossible if there was no previous comparison to stand it up against. |
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...when everyone is looking for a comfortable choice to decide what they spend their time and energy discovering. |
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we could blame the french....? |
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