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offline Grahf from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2007-03-31 12:25 [#02068023]
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just curious to know of which people are making music on
here, and what tools they use. do people who make electronic
music generally know how to play a piano, or do most of you
trial and error it? whats the best program you've
encountered for mixing and mastering, is it protools all the
way?

ive just finished my latest song, could do with some
friendly criticism, direction and advice... if you can be
bothered, if not then just ignore this bit :P its the first
song at http://www.myspace.com/underredchaos called
withdraw. used ableton live rewired with reason, with help
from a sidstation and a slight bit of guitar... all turned
into quite a darky sketchy mess really! lol, i just cant
tell if i'm getting better or not. either way i only do it
for fun really. its amazing how much time can disappear when
you're doing that sort of stuff.

cheers people


 

offline futureimage from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-03-31 13:16 [#02068041]
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I use Ableton Live 5. I can play drums, piano (and any other
keyboard instrument), bass, (a little) guitar, etc.


 

offline thatne from United States on 2007-03-31 19:15 [#02068128]
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i am beginning in renoise but i can cap
ably noodle on drumbs bass and guitar.


 

offline DirtyPriest from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2007-04-01 06:39 [#02068231]
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I've said it many times before, and ill say it again:
Fruityloops all the way. Fuck the haters!


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-04-01 06:50 [#02068234]
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Acid Pro

Self-taught on piano. Can play other instruments if you give
me a few minutes.


 

offline KLX from no (United States) on 2007-04-01 07:44 [#02068244]
Points: 140 Status: Regular | Followup to DirtyPriest: #02068231



I think the main problem with fruloo is the sound engine. It
has this "saturation" effect (for lack of a better word)
that might sound good if there was a way to vary it
throughout the mix. It's like a subtle mush sound and i
think it would work better if it were morphing or
inconsistent. I'm using 6.0 so I am not sure if the more
recent releases fix that. I was thinking of using fruloo
with max/msp so the max/msp sound engine is used instead of
fruloos but I got that idea like 6 months ago and I've yet
to do anything about it. I still use fruloo though. I use
mostly 8/8 patterns and I try to keep it within the
333-720bpm range. Seems the higher bpm stuff surprises a lot
of people when I tell them I made it with fruloo. Probably
since -> more complicated --> harder to hear shit rendering
(even at the highest settings 32 float and 256 whatever is
still shit.)

The other problem is that it's so easy to make music in it,
that I hardly care how anything turns out. It's easy to muck
around in it and make whole tracks in 20 minutes. If it were
more complicated I'd probably care what the music sounds
like, since I'd have to work harder to get the same results.
If every track I made in it was a process I'd probably be
drawing customized samples in soufor for each track with a
pen tool or something equally meticulous. Not to say it's
not possible to do a lot with the program, I just think that
the program is frowned upon because anyone with basic
computer knowledge can easily make something resembling
music in it with shitty generic preset sounds and there's
really no incentive for deviation (seems like it's more
implicitly encouraged to sell the software to the layman.)

I think aside from the above stated, the mental context of
having instant structure is kind of limiting for the
creative process. I think it's because familiarity has a way
of triggering old patterns of doing things within said
familiar context. If the program had a more obscure
open-ended architecture, it would always leave you uncerta


 

offline KLX from no (United States) on 2007-04-01 07:45 [#02068245]
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[If the program had a more obscure open-ended architecture,
it would always leave you uncerta]in enough to shake off any
habitual tendencies that can make you lose sight of new
ideas. Other than that, fruloo is great.


 

offline zero-cool on 2007-04-01 08:02 [#02068249]
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AB5


 

offline Grahf from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2007-04-02 04:26 [#02068447]
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has anyone got an example of a song made in fruityloops?


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-04-02 04:40 [#02068449]
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I learned the piano classically and came from folk and
classical music into all this electronic wonderousness, and
I think it's really helpful to be able to improvise on
keyboards when you're making a track because it just speeds
things up a bit. I do think people who can't play
instruments can still create amazing music, obviously. You
just need an imagination and an ability to use some tools.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-04-02 05:46 [#02068453]
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anything by me:
here, here, here and theres
shitloads here.


 

offline Grahf from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2007-04-02 07:59 [#02068475]
Points: 388 Status: Regular



that squerm is one odd tune. haha. it reminds me a little of
ad n to (x) but then it went somewhere else... some strange
place far far away


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-04-02 08:53 [#02068503]
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THANX HUN xoxo


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-04-02 08:59 [#02068506]
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oh and response to the original questions. i had piano and
cornet/trumpet lessons when i was little and i doodle on the
guitar and pots and pans. as far as mixing and mastering
goes i never mix anything properly, let alone master it. ive
just started using protools but havent heard or seen any
benefits yet.


 

offline Grahf from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2007-04-02 09:25 [#02068519]
Points: 388 Status: Regular



hmmm

using ableton to mix down just seems to lack something... i
can't quite put my finger on it, but it always ends up
sounding a little bit flat, and sometimes a little bit
quiet. it might just be my inexperience that causes it to
sound that way. it could be the normalising process?

i managed to get it sounding a little bit deeper with my
latest tune that i linked up there, but theres still
something about it. maybe its just ableton live. or me. :)


 

offline oxygenfad from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2007-04-02 17:20 [#02068674]
Points: 4442 Status: Regular



I thought this was about a star craft spin of game for the
wii or something :D


 


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